Thanos vs. Black Adam/Captain Marvel

Originally posted by Beyonder
Dark Urizen:
"My theory was that [b]the fact that Odin's powers are magically based (which he admits to several times during the fight), Thanos' tech-induced powers are less than fully potent when used on him."

"Black Adam and CM are in the same situation as Odin.
So if i'm right with my little theory, then even with some prep it wouldn't make that much of a difference."

Where in this did you say Level? Your theory is that Odin's powers are "magical based" and thus Thanos' tech are less potent. Thor is magic based as well, Thanos' tech worked just fine on him. [/B]

Originally posted by Dark Urizen

I never denied the fact that Odin was at a different level of power, but that it was magical power, which made a big difference in breaking out. Don't even compare normal Thor's (as in not RKT or KT) level of magical power to Odin, because it's like comparing how strong a flea is to a bull. You misunderstood by thinking what i meant was that magic was the only thing that helped in breaking the cube and that even a little pixy with magic could break it. No. But i did mean that magic of a certain power level, even below Odin but higher than Thor (which isn't hard to find, since he's an asswipe when it comes to magic), helps immeasurably against Thanos' scientifically acquired power.

Hope that cleared some things up.

Originally posted by Beyonder
Dark Urizen:
"So if i'm right with my little theory, then even with some prep it wouldn't make that much of a difference."

Was responding to this. Maybe you should read what I quote first.

My bad 😮

Originally posted by Beyonder
And the power of Zeus is exactly the power of Zeus right? If its the case, these guys would be Skyfather level, not being an equal of GL or Supes.

No, because "the power of Zeus" is specified as "usually in the form of resistance to any injury".

So again, aspects, not fractions. The aspects are at full power.

Like if for example Zeus was a contortionist and i said "I have Zeus' power to place my legs over my head". It would mean that i have his power of placing my legs over my head, to the same degree that he does. But it wouldn't mean i also have his superstrength, superspeed, magical lightning, etc. etc. etc.

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
He's not a mutant eternal AFAIK. He's an eternal that unlike Sersi and the other eternals from Earth, is from Titan. His innate eternal powers were increased both by Death and by himself a couple of times.

His father was an Earth Eternal; his mother was a Titan Eternal. His brother Eros was normal; he himself was a mutant among his people. He began his fascination with Death as a kid, later implanting bionics into his body. After he died, Death ressurcted him back stronger than before.

However, that still doesn't mean he's got what it takes to duke it out with Gods.

Tell that to Ultron, Neferia, Gladiator, Surfer, Ulik, and etc. that have duked it out and or won against Thor before.

If it weren't for those enhancements death and he himself made, would you ever say "An eternal is as strong as a skyfather" ?

? No. Eternals are no different from Gods. A Prime Eternal is as strong as a skyfather. A weakened Zuras, the Prime Eternal, stalemated Zeus. And please dont' bring up Prime Eternal Ikarus if your going to, even Thor with the Odin Force lacked experience in the beginning.

Eternal's power level go up and down like any pantheon of Gods. A Prime Eternal is around Skyfather level.

I doubt it. And even WITH all the enhancements, his only skyfather-worthy feat was against Odin. And remember, he didn't BEAT or even HURT Odin. he just didn't die.

His other feats were going up against Tyrant and Kosmos. And Drax and Surfer got pwned one shot each by Odin. Annihilus has also been one shoted pwned by Odin.

So no, i don't think Thanos can beat two guys that have the attributes of skyfathers 😬 [/B]

Having attributes of skyfather is nothing like the real deal. CM and Adam are comparable to Surfer and Thor. When either CM or Adam down KO Surfer in less than 4-5 punches(Thanos), or PWNZ Surfer in one shot (Odin). Thanos stomps them.

"His father was an Earth Eternal; his mother was a Titan Eternal. His brother Eros was normal; he himself was a mutant among his people. He began his fascination with Death as a kid, later implanting bionics into his body. After he died, Death ressurcted him back stronger than before. "

Are you sure he was a mutant? Well, either way, i was aware of the death enhancement, which i myself mentioned earlier.

"Tell that to Ultron, Neferia, Gladiator, Surfer, Ulik, and etc. that have duked it out and or won against Thor before."

By Gods i meant Skyfathers

"? No. Eternals are no different from Gods. A Prime Eternal is as strong as a skyfather. A weakened Zuras, the Prime Eternal, stalemated Zeus."

Thanos isn't a Prime Eternal now is he? Prime Eternals are MAJORLY more potent than normal eternals. And what about Ika...

"And please dont' bring up Prime Eternal Ikarus if your going to, even Thor with the Odin Force lacked experience in the beginning. "

😖hifty: I hate you.

"Eternal's power level go up and down like any pantheon of Gods. A Prime Eternal is around Skyfather level. "

I'm aware of that. Thanos is not and WAS not a Prime Eternal.

"His other feats were going up against Tyrant and Kosmos. And Drax and Surfer got pwned one shot each by Odin. Annihilus has also been one shoted pwned by Odin. "

And SS was once beaten to death by Thanos. Yes, i know. I've seen it. I even posted some of it in his respect thread (though i can't remember who beat me to posting his "kick the shit out of SS" scans 🙄 )

"Having attributes of skyfather is nothing like the real deal. CM and Adam are comparable to Surfer and Thor. When either CM or Adam down KO Surfer in less than 4-5 punches(Thanos), or PWNZ Surfer in one shot (Odin). Thanos stomps them. "

You're thinking one-dimensionally. What you're thinking is "My special power is that i have the strength of Hercules". Except the truth is: "My special powerS ARE that i have: X, Y, Z, etc. etc. etc. " Meshed together, it's a very potent array of god-level attributes.

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
[B]
Are you sure he was a mutant? Well, either way, i was aware of the death enhancement, which i myself mentioned earlier.

He is.

By Gods i meant Skyfathers

Then say Skyfather, don't say Gods.

Thanos isn't a Prime Eternal now is he? Prime Eternals are MAJORLY more potent than normal eternals. And what about Ika...

He isn't a Prime Eternal, nor is he just an Eternal. Most Eternals aren't on his level, nor are most gods. And his level is good enough to stand up to Odin for a drawn out fight; Drax and Surfer we're out as soon as the fight began.

I'm aware of that. Thanos is not and WAS not a Prime Eternal.

Nor is he skyfather, but that didn't keep him down did it? And it's not needed to beat up people like CM and Adam who aren't skyfather's either.

You're thinking one-dimensionally. What you're thinking is "My special power is that i have the strength of Hercules". Except the truth is: "My special powerS ARE that i have: X, Y, Z, etc. etc. etc. " Meshed together, it's a very potent array of god-level attributes.

Basically either BA or CM can deliever skyfather level attacks via lightning? They're not. And even Skyfather level attacks haven't put Thanos down. Additionally, neither CM nor BA have Skyfather durability now do they?

So if they aren't Skyfather in offensive attacks. What can they do to him?

Nor is they're durability any better than Thor, Drax, or Surfer. So how're they not going to get stomped?

"He is. "

Okay 🙂

"Then say Skyfather, don't say Gods. "

Well aren't WE the grumpy ones 😛

"He isn't a Prime Eternal, nor is he just an Eternal. Most Eternals aren't on his level, nor are most gods. And his level is good enough to stand up to Odin for a drawn out fight; Drax and Surfer we're out as soon as the fight began. "

My vision of him is below Prime Eternal, above regular Eternal. And he DOES have an incredible durability. it's one of the things i love most about him, and i loved seeing it portrayed so well in that story arc, even though i wasn't terribly fond of him appearing to be a little masochistic 😬

"Nor is he skyfather, but that didn't keep him down did it? And it's not needed to beat up people like CM and Adam who aren't skyfather's either."

No, he isn't Skyfather. And yes, he does have the durability of a God, but not of a Skyfather.

"Basically either BA or CM can deliever skyfather level attacks via lightning? They're not. And even Skyfather level attacks haven't put Thanos down. Additionally, neither CM nor BA have Skyfather durability now do they?"

CM: Z for the power of Zeus (usually in the form of resistance to any injury)

BA: the power of Aton,

Aten is a creator of the universe in ancient Egyptian mythology, usually regarded as a sun god represented by the sun's disk. His worship (Atenism) was instituted as the basis for the mostly monotheistic religion of Amenhotep IV, who took the name Akhenaten. The worship of Aten ceased shortly after Akhenaten's death.

yeah......actually they do 🙁

"So if they aren't Skyfather in offensive attacks. What can they do to him?"

I'm not sure yet. I didn't say they can beat him (i think). My point all along was that HE can't beat them.

"Nor is they're durability any better than Thor, Drax, or Surfer. So how're they not going to get stomped? "

Look up a bit. It is 🙁

Thanos ****s em up

Thanos turns them into lapdogs.

The problem here is, while CM and BA are "supposed" to be as durable as Zeus and Aten... They simply aren't. Both are basically Superman physically, but a bit slower, a bit weaker, and a bit more durable. Nowhere near the level of high skyfathers, who get blasted with stuff like galaxy shaking blasts and take them in stride.

Originally posted by Dizzle
The problem here is, while CM and BA are "supposed" to be as durable as Zeus and Aten... They simply aren't. Both are basically Superman physically, but a bit slower, a bit weaker, and a bit more durable. Nowhere near the level of high skyfathers, who get blasted with stuff like galaxy shaking blasts and take them in stride.

Thanos, b4 enhancements, fought Hulk, Thing, Thor and Hercules simultaneously. And laughed while doing it. "You call yourselves strong! I am strength personified!" Or some quote like that. Anyway, I'd take those four over BA and CM. Thanos wins.

Originally posted by Crease
Thanos, b4 enhancements, fought Hulk, Thing, Thor and Hercules simultaneously. And laughed while doing it. "You call yourselves strong! I am strength personified!" Or some quote like that. Anyway, I'd take those four over BA and CM. Thanos wins.

Originally posted by Dizzle
The problem here is, while CM and BA are "supposed" to be as durable as Zeus and Aten... They simply aren't. Both are basically Superman physically, but a bit slower, a bit weaker, and a bit more durable. Nowhere near the level of high skyfathers, who get blasted with stuff like galaxy shaking blasts and take them in stride.

CM and BA are not weaker or slower than SM. DC holds them back because we all know considering their power sources that SM should not even be in their league but he's DC's baby. But if they truly had the powers of the gods like they suppose to Thanos is done because if CM has Zeus's resistance to injury Thanos could not hurt him if he couldn't hurt Odin same for BA.

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Thanos still wins.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thanos still wins.

Originally posted by D-Block
CM and BA are not weaker or slower than SM. DC holds them back because we all know considering their power sources that SM should not even be in their league but he's DC's baby. But if they truly had the powers of the gods like they suppose to Thanos is done because if CM has Zeus's resistance to injury Thanos could not hurt him if he couldn't hurt Odin same for BA.

Why should their power sources be beyond Supes? He has defeated Darkseid who has defeated several god pantheons, I don't see him being their superior as a stretch to be honest.

Originally posted by Bentley
Why should their power sources be beyond Supes? He has defeated Darkseid who has defeated several god pantheons, I don't see him being their superior as a stretch to be honest.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That's an off panel feat which doesn't hold much if any weight at all. we don't know the circumstances, who they were, etc.

It proves that being a god in DC doesn't equal having higher status than a kriptonian.