Well its not a brutal as what he did to his those poor people that he killed. Let him die, hes a freaking murderer 😠 , if it was your family or someone u know or hell even YOU that was killed, you would want him to be punished for his crime!!!!! Also doesn't really make sense to let a murder out of jail and he could just end up killing someone else again!! It doesn't even sound like hes changed much, still talking with that gang! Pretty bad when people want a murder out of jail ❌
A) As brutal or not, it's still brutal. I would argue that it's more brutal. Killing someone with electricity on purpose. That's closer to torture than what he did.
B) What do you mean when you say, "or hell even YOU that was killed, you would want him to be punished for his crime!!!!!", hmm? If I were dead I wouldn't know.
-AC
A) Im pretty sure hes not going to die in pain, they will inject him and he will simply fall asleep and die.
B) why are people worried about a murderer like this??? this is crazy, we should be talking about supporting the family of the victims.
C) the people he killed knew that they was going to die, he told 1 of them to get on the floor and on his knees and shot him in the back of the head. He shot another in the back and laughed about it when he was dying!
Yah lets worry more about a murderer then the victims. ❌
As a correctional officer for the TDCJ (Texas Dept. of Criminal Justice) I realize that a lot of inmates who are locked up for a long period of time can truly have a 180 degree change and rehabilitate from the old person they were. They can truly repent for their crimes, and even find hope/education/religion while on the inside. I see it all the time. But the fact remains that Williams killed innocent human beings. He deserves to be punished for his crimes. I, myself, am a strong advocate of the Death Penalty. He is getting what he deserves. Some people would also argue the case of Carla Faye Tucker, who was "so reformed into a woman of God" and how she "truly repented her sins and was unconditionally rehabilitated". So? Does it erase the crime? Nope. "Tookie" Williams deserves to die. Let whoever or whatever is on the other side judge him and see if the books he wrote are reform enough.
MSNBC News Services
Updated: 5:30 a.m. ET Dec. 13, 2005SAN FRANCISCO - Convicted killer Stanley Tookie Williams, the Crips gang co-founder whose case stirred a national debate about capital punishment versus the possibility of redemption, was executed Tuesday morning.
Williams, 51, died at 12:35 a.m. after receiving a lethal injection at San Quentin State Prison, officials said. Before the execution, he was "complacent, quiet and thoughtful," Corrections Department spokeswoman Terry Thornton said
Well no matter now. He' been executed.
He may have committed the crime but, ..i duno..
I don't think anyone should have the power to take someones life. Not Tookie not the Gov. or the State, but then again an example needed to be set.. i duno. just maybe by other means perhaps.
And i duno how people, like death penalty advocates, that have regular lives and have been in no way affected by severe crimes, would want for the death of another human being. It's like "well, wtf did he do to you. why do you wish him dead." I would never wish death to an man that I didn't know (and did know) simply because I'm a tight-ass who's upset with his own life. It's like "My life sucks and I'm mad, so yea execute him." It's disgusting. I stay away from people like that.
I'm not pro-crime but I'm not pro-******* either.
But as for tookie.
Couldn't agree more, Impediment.
BTW-My mom is also (or was) a CO in our state.
She pretty much said the same thing about the reform and the conversions to religion and all that. She also said some of it is show
to impress the parole board, and that if she had a dime for each time someone became a Muslim or a Christian to try to get out of the slammer, she'd be rich.
And she also said that if she had a dime for each time they went back
to their old ways when they get refused by the parole board, she'd be a billionaire.
I'm not saying that ALL inmates are incapable of reform, but this guy is the co-founder of the Crips, for God's sake. This guy is and always will be, who he is. And his lack of remorse and his flat out claim of innocence in the face of what he did is what killed him. To his dying day he had no feelings for what he did.
And now Hollywood comes out to defend him? It figures, being they're America's delusional third political party. Overpaid, under disciplined whelps who buy their way out of the law while everyone else goes to jail for the same thing. And I don't think I need to explain who bought the law out recently..
From guns, politics, and foreign policy, Hollywood knows it all... 🙄
As usual, there's a lot of ignorance on display in this thread...
What does it say about a society when a person can reform, show evidence of that reform, show contrition for his deeds (in regards to his life as a crip), yet ultimately be dealt exactly the same punishment as the one he committed? How can a human being be judged in absolutes that refuse to recognise the rehabilitation of man, regardless of what he has done? He was convicted of the crimes he was tried for, so I'm not debating that, but this behavior by the US government is despicable, barbaric and hyprocritical in light of the preaching that comes from the fundamental Right.
There's been talk here about the message it would give if he was pardoned...well, what about the message that screams "You shouldn't kill people, so to show you this is a bad thing to do, we'll kill you!".
It's absolutely insane nonsense.
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
As usual, there's a lot of ignorance on display in this thread.......yadda yaddathis behavior by the US government is despicable, barbaric and hyprocritical in light of the preaching that comes from the fundamental Right.
It's absolutely insane nonsense.
Nonsense?
Well, so is the notion coming from Michael Moore, Hollywood, and the political left that guns are bad and kill people, yet the rich and famous and poiliticians should be allowed to carry one for their personal safety.
Apparently guns are bad unless Michael More says so...
Then the left professes that it has and preaches religious tolerance, yet shows none for Christians.
So is their notion that they value life so much, yet think nothing of abortion.
Not to mention the fact that the same politicians who speak out in favor of self defense in one's home are the same ones who then vote to make it a federal felony for someone to kill an armed and violent home intruder who wants to kill your whole family for 5 bucks in a cookie jar.
The criminal has more rights than the victim these days. Thank the left and their allies for that one the next time Martha Stewart gets off of her inside trading deal when people like you and me go to jail 5 years for doing the same thing....
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
At least you acknowledge that you're not making any sense...
Yeah and at least YOU acknowledge that your reply is a cop out for the stuff I mentioned above. Can you deny what I said and prove that I'm wrong? Can you NOT disprove the hypocrisy of the left as well as the right?
Apparently not because you're concentrating on me and not the issue at hand. Your name should be WhoFlungPoo because you're about as full of the brown and stinky as you accuse others of being.
Get over yourself dude, it's a two way street.
There was nothing but more drivel in your last post, so I'll return to your first line of drool...
Originally posted by Dagons Blade
Well, so is the notion coming from Michael Moore, Hollywood, and the political left that guns are bad and kill people, yet the rich and famous and poiliticians should be allowed to carry one for their personal safety.
This is a childish 'observation' fed to you by Murdoch and his affiliates. Are you full yet?
Apparently guns are bad unless Michael More says so...
What was that I just said?
Then the left professes that it has and preaches religious tolerance, yet shows none for Christians.
I agree that equality should reign supreme, but if you've ever considered why affirmative action was needed, then you should be able to comprehend why their is little tolerance shown towards a powerful group of fundamentalists who have key players in key positions of power. Whether these politicians use Christianity as a campaign ally, there can be no doubt. However, what about all the Christians who fool(intentional...) for this?
So is their notion that they value life so much, yet think nothing of abortion.
I value life, but I also value the right to choose. Absolutes are the speciality of a fundamentalist group who are unable to comprehend that the world is made up of billions of individuals, not one great herd. Baaa...
Not to mention the fact that the same politicians who speak out in favor of self defense in one's home are the same ones who then vote to make it a federal felony for someone to kill an armed and violent home intruder who wants to kill your whole family for 5 bucks in a cookie jar.
Woah! You hate Hollywood, but you can conjure up plot lines like this? Oh, right...It is more suited to daytime TV...
The criminal has more rights than the victim these days. Thank the left and their allies for that one the next time Martha Stewart gets off of her inside trading deal when people like you and me go to jail 5 years for doing the same thing....
Yeah, thank us because we're the ones who set her free, whilst a Republican sits in the White House...
Now, my child...please try to hold your food down, as I'm a little dirty from cleaning up all your mess.
This was your original post...What made you think that your edited version was better? Did it seem snappier? Has it got more 'piz-azz'?
Originally posted by Dagons Blade
Yeah and at least YOU acknowledge that your reply is a cop out for the stuff I metioned above. Can you deny what I said and prove that I'm wrong. Apprently not because you're concentrating on me and not the issue at hand.Typical copout. I suppose your next move is to label it all under W for whatever. The Right is wrong about everything but you lefties are angels who can do no wrong. I gotcha.
I guess we could call that ^ a 'regurgitation'...haw-haw.
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
This was your original post...What made you think that your edited version was better? Did it seem snappier? Has it got more 'piz-azz'?I guess we could call that ^ a 'regurgitation'...haw-haw.
No I did it so YOUR simple mind could understand it better. Haw haw.
I mean, I don't want you giving me too much a piece of your mind on this issue, because I really wouldn't want to take the last bit you have..
Oh and make sure you clean it all up, wil you? That's what we pay you for here at KM.
Originally posted by Dagons Blade
No I did it so YOUR simple mind could understand it better. Haw haw.I mean, I don't want you giving me too much a piece of your mind on this issue, because I really wouldn't want to take the last bit you have..
Oh and make sure you clean it all up, wil you? That's what we pay you for here at KM.
My mommy told me that 'imitation is the highest form of flattery'...
I'm blushing right now. Thank you.
I accept your withdrawal from this debate on the grounds of you having nothing to stand on. You're right...You really are an idiot.
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd FlooWhether these politicians use Christianity as a campaign ally, there can be no doubt. However, what about all the Christians who fool(intentional...) for this?
Oh yes I know, Christians are the only ones who fool people, while Muslims make us believe they have peace and love in their hearts and turn around and murder 3,000 people from all walks of life in one day under the guise of them all being 'American' for chasing American values.
They they continue to terrorize people who refuse to convert to their way of thinking. So much for equality and fooling people?
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
I value life, but I also value the right to choose. Absolutes are the speciality of a fundamentalist group who are unable to comprehend that the world is made up of billions of individuals, not one great herd.
Well all I'm saying is that 30 million some kids have been deprived of the right to live and be someone, as opposed to the Gun Deaths that the Democrats ***** about so much. What's worse, dying in the prime of your life, or dying before you had a chance to actually live and be someone?
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
eah, thank us because we're the ones who set her free, whilst a Republican sits in the White House...
Yeah, and than Ted Kennedy for his anti-gun stance, when HIS car killed more people that most guns in America right now. He talks about how bad guns are and yet he gets off the charge of alcohol induced vehicular manslaughter with the help of his lawyer, (and also because he's a Kennedy, the most influential and powerful family in Massachusetts.) But that had nothing to do with it, DID it now?
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo Now, my child...please try to hold your food down, as I'm a little dirty from cleaning up all your mess. [/B]
Well dude, takes one to clean one up. The street runs both ways. Here take a Kleenex and wipe some of that nut off of your chin....it was good, but you're not getting my Bud Lite...
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
My mommy told me that 'imitation is the highest form of flattery'...I'm blushing right now. Thank you.
I aim to please, now here, wipe that last load off of your chin, will you? The tryouts for "There's Something About Mary 2" were cancelled.
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
[BI accept your withdrawal from this debate on the grounds of you having nothing to stand on. You're right...You really are an idiot. [/B]
I don't need you to speak for me...I never called myself an idiot. That was YOUR wording. Nice try dude. Oh and as far as me being an Idiot, that's an "American Idiot" right? Another Green Day fanboy I suppose?
Dude, I love how people like you withdraw on the grounds of incompetence on the other side...that's a nice way of saying that you won the battle but lost the war. Quitter.