-=- Patriot Act Impeading On Canadians -=-

Originally posted by KharmaDog
You seem to be under the misconception that the majority of Canadian businisesses do not have appropriate hiring procedures or perform background check themselves.

I never said that. But why do Canadians see themselves exempt from American background checks, if under a reverse situation, Americans would have to do the same thing?

Originally posted by KharmaDog
What (to my understanding) is the problem, is the U.S. government thinking that they can do a better job. Or that the U.S. government thinks it has the right to dictate how other countries conduct business, yet feel free to do anything, such as go into Iraq, without the concent or concern for the rest of the world.

Iraq has nothing to do with this, it's a non issue. We never said we could do a better job. But there has to be some common ground for background checks and security or else it's no good. We're not shoving anything down anyone's throat here.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
It isn't the fact that we are 'spooked', it is the fact that the American government has enough of it's own problems to deal with, they should keep their attention to their own back yard.

Well, if you keep going around thinking that we're trying to establish political beachheads, and keep your guard up all the time, then that's going to be your reality and noone will change your mind.

Oh well, at least ONE Canadian had somehting good to say about America:

http://www.phillytalkradioonline.com/comment/usa.html

If that's your attitude, fine then. Just don't count THIS American as one of the bad ones. s'all I have..

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
Oh well, at least ONE Canadian had somehting good to say about America:

Actually many Canadians have good things about america and americans. If you've been around here a while you would be aware of that fact, as are others.

As I am sure there is more than ONE Canadian who has nice things to say about our neighbours to the south, I am sure there is more than ONE American who is unhappy regarding how your foreign relations have been going as of late.

By the way, that speech by Sinclair has been reffered to multiple times in this forum, it is also dated back in 1973, I am sure he would add to it based on recent events.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Actually many Canadians have good things about america and americans. If you've been around here a while you would be aware of that fact, as are others.

As I am sure there is more than ONE Canadian who has nice things to say about our neighbours to the south, I am sure there is more than ONE American who is unhappy regarding how your foreign relations have been going as of late.

By the way, that speech by Sinclair has been reffered to multiple times in this forum, it is also dated back in 1973, I am sure he would add to it based on recent events.

I'll buy that. I never said ALL canadinas were that way, and converesely, neither are all Americans. But as someone living in America, I get tired of hearing about how we are war mongering, gun loving hicks who sleep with our cousins and drive pickup trucks with 8 or 9 assault weapons in the back.

Because of shit like this, most foreigners see us as right wing gay
hating white robe KKK boys who hang people in trees regularly. And as someone who has relatives who live, and as one myself who has lived in the South, I take great offense to this.

We have poor people here too, we have unemployment, we have crime. What place on Earth dosen't? There's also a lot of good hard working people here who would help you if you needed it. As ususal, it's all political..the worst elements and most negative things being used to suit the naysayers who love saying " I told you so."

Let people think what they want, they will anyway...seems that's one thing that will never change.

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
I'll buy that. I never said ALL canadinas were that way, and converesely, neither are all Americans. But as someone living in America, I get tired of hearing about how we are war mongering, gun loving hicks who sleep with our cousins and drive pickup trucks with 8 or 9 assault weapons in the back.

Because of shit like this, most foreigners see us as right wing gay
hating white robe KKK boys who hang people in trees regularly. And as someone who has relatives who live, and as one myself who has lived in the South, I take great offense to this.

We have poor people here too, we have unemployment, we have crime. What place on Earth dosen't? There's also a lot of good hard working people here who would help you if you needed it. As ususal, it's all political..the worst elements and most negative things being used to suit the naysayers who love saying " I told you so."

Let people think what they want, they will anyway...seems that's one thing that will never change.

I agree completely. God knows the amount of anti-Americanism we have to endure....

Originally posted by Draco69
People. You're asking the wrong questions. Where is the Canadian company located? A Canadian company doesn't mean it's in Canada. It could mean it's in Wyoming or New Jersey for all we know..

Originally posted by Zarathustra
Why, it's almost like the entire discussion is a waste of time because the first, horribly written post provided neither information nor any source whatsoever.

yo yo yo .......WORD.........exactly where is the document?

Originally posted by Draco69
I agree completely. God knows the amount of anti-Americanism we have to endure....

Thank you.

OUR guns are tghe only ones used for crime (yet the Third World countries have murdered millions with AK-47's and other Russian marvels.)

We defend Israeli occupation, while the Syrian occupation of Lebanon goes on for almost 50 years w\o anyone complaining about THAT..

WE are the only warmongers in the world (yet in the face of massive human atrocities, the UN sat back and did nothing in Cambodia, Rwanda, or Kosovo, and allowed an entire Pakistani convoy to be cut to pieces in Somalia during the BlackHawk Down incident as they weren't allowed to reurn fire.) "We truly abhor this"..Annan's broken record..

We want oil (yet the UN bent over backward for Saddam and broke their unconditional inspection rules by allowing palaces to be shut for 24-72 hours at a time while they found a way to exclude Americans from the inspections for fear of bias, in light of the fact inspections were to be UN-conditional.) Oil For Food, anyone?

Bush is all to blame-(yet Clinton laughed in the face of the Israeli Mossad and the UAE as they provided him with pinpoint intel about Bin Ladens whereabouts in Tanzania and Sudan and Kenya. Somehow banning guns and bombing Kosovo were more important. As a result of his inability to act, we lose embassies in those areas and hello to 9\11)

Not to mention the masscares in Rwanda as a result of Clinton's inability (or reluctance) to pressurize the UN Sec. Council tooverride the veto of the use of troops in Rwanda that could have STOPPED it.

OUR men are sexist (when in Islam a man can beat a woman to death for talking out of turn, or for showing a part of her body or for not covering her hair.)

I could go on but the list is infinite. And most of it is bullshit.

Originally posted by Zarathustra
Why, it's almost like the entire discussion is a waste of time because the first, horribly written post provided neither information nor any source whatsoever.

Originally posted by Zarathustra
Why, it's almost like the entire discussion is a waste of time because the first, horribly written post provided neither information nor any source whatsoever.

Here it is again, for everyone's information.

Originally posted by Koala MeatPie
A Canadian company Dealing with Americans, has refused busness with ther Americans beacuse the States want to check up on Every employee the Canadian Comopany Has hired.

The States Reserve the right to Sue the Cndian Company if they refuse to be checked up on.

It is through things like this that Americans can justify intrusion of privacy.

I have one question that's burned deeply for a while since I read this:

What's a "Cndian"?

The States Reserve the right to Sue the Cndian Company if they refuse to be checked up on

Sue is capitalized, so the State Reserve has rights to a business named the "Sue The Cndian Company." I guess this means they bought they company?

QUOTE=5560977]Originally posted by Koala MeatPie
A Canadian company Dealing with Americans, has refused busness with ther Americans beacuse the States want to check up on Every employee the Canadian Comopany Has hired.[/QUOTE]

Whats a Canadian Comopany? Is that their version of Monopoly?

I'm curious...

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
Again, prove to me that that's the case. What evidence do you have? (Oh nevermind, Michael Moore and Paul Martin just walked thru the door....)

Evidence?

I enjoy more freedom in Europe, then you have ever known in America.

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
Thank you.

OUR guns are tghe only ones used for crime (yet the Third World countries have murdered millions with AK-47's and other Russian marvels.)

We defend Israeli occupation, while the Syrian occupation of Lebanon goes on for almost 50 years w\o anyone complaining about THAT..

WE are the only warmongers in the world (yet in the face of massive human atrocities, the UN sat back and did nothing in Cambodia, Rwanda, or Kosovo, and allowed an entire Pakistani convoy to be cut to pieces in Somalia during the BlackHawk Down incident as they weren't allowed to reurn fire.) "We truly abhor this"..Annan's broken record..

We want oil (yet the UN bent over backward for Saddam and broke their unconditional inspection rules by allowing palaces to be shut for 24-72 hours at a time while they found a way to exclude Americans from the inspections for fear of bias, in light of the fact inspections were to be UN-conditional.) Oil For Food, anyone?

Bush is all to blame-(yet Clinton laughed in the face of the Israeli Mossad and the UAE as they provided him with pinpoint intel about Bin Ladens whereabouts in Tanzania and Sudan and Kenya. Somehow banning guns and bombing Kosovo were more important. As a result of his inability to act, we lose embassies in those areas and hello to 9\11)

Not to mention the masscares in Rwanda as a result of Clinton's inability (or reluctance) to pressurize the UN Sec. Council tooverride the veto of the use of troops in Rwanda that could have STOPPED it.

OUR men are sexist (when in Islam a man can beat a woman to death for talking out of turn, or for showing a part of her body or for not covering her hair.)

I could go on but the list is infinite. And most of it is bullshit.

So, are you trying to say, that any complaints that anyone (including americans) may have against the policies of the U.S., even if they are valid, are frivolous and should be ignored based on the fact that other countries are doing similar things too?

It's also funny, that in defending your nation's actions/history you had to point out what you believe to be glaring mistakes by Clinton. So the blame game is fine with you, so long as you point out other countries instead, or Clinton rather than Bush?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Evidence?

I enjoy more freedom in Europe, then you have ever known in America.

maybe but thats really subjective.........not something you can be certain of.

Its really BUSH that has caused the strain. How can you expect a left wing liberal PM of Canada and ultra-right wing Conservative president to get along like best friends??

Originally posted by soleran30
maybe but thats really subjective.........not something you can be certain of.

WORD. We're not hearing the real deal, only her perceptions.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
So, are you trying to say, that any complaints that anyone (including americans) may have against the policies of the U.S., even if they are valid, are frivolous and should be ignored based on the fact that other countries are doing similar things too?

It's also funny, that in defending your nation's actions/history you had to point out what you believe to be glaring mistakes by Clinton. So the blame game is fine with you, so long as you point out other countries instead, or Clinton rather than Bush?

Again, YOUR words, not mine. It seems that pointing out the unilateral
failures of the past before Bush was in office is what really hurts your ears. I'm simply saying the street runs both ways. How you take it is of no consequence to me. I'm not going to bend backward for you every time you twist somehting I say. Learn to accept the fact that this is a situation in which we ALL failed, despite what the current crop of Michael Moore\Green Day fans percieve.

You just don't want to hear that anyone else is at fault, because it's not a popular concept. besides, God forbid if you should have a differing opinion among your school and college buddies..you'll automatically become the bad guy.

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
You just don't want to hear that anyone else is at fault, because it's not a popular concept. besides, God forbid if you should have a differing opinion among your school and college buddies..you'll automatically become the bad guy.

You talk of the liberties people take with what you say. I just read what you say and comment on it. But read the above post. You assume that I am in school or university and make character comments on those asssumptions.

Any good points that you make are often overshadowed by your hyperbole.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
You talk of the liberties people take with what you say. I just read what you say and comment on it. But read the above post. You assume that I am in school or university and make character comments on those asssumptions.

Any good points that you make are often overshadowed by your hyperbole.

Well let's face it mate. Colleges aren't necessarily the popular place for right wing opinions, since most of their aging staff consists of radical hippies pissed that they couldn't get their way back in the day..and they continue to teach their messages thru all the shit they put in the heads of the younger generation. Or "overthrowing the Establishment" as they call it.

Any good points I make? When the **** have you ever listened? Enlighten me on my good points, please.

and another topic is killed by the 'evil liberal college professors' myth.

thats three topics killed according to my count.

You said:

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
You just don't want to hear that anyone else is at fault, because it's not a popular concept. besides, God forbid if you should have a differing opinion among your school and college buddies..you'll automatically become the bad guy.

Which (and I may be wrong) means that you were under the misconception that I was a school or university student or someone of that age. I commented to you that it was a misconception on your part, and this was your response.

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
Well let's face it mate. Colleges aren't necessarily the popular place for right wing opinions, since most of their aging staff consists of radical hippies pissed that they couldn't get their way back in the day..and they continue to teach their messages thru all the shit they put in the heads of the younger generation. Or "overthrowing the Establishment" as they call it.

Do you preach just to hear yourself? Because you never address what others say. You just try to bull rush your points.

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
Any good points I make? When the **** have you ever listened? Enlighten me on my good points, please.

I would not even dignify this post with an example. You seem like the tyype of person who desperatly needs affirmation in what they believe and how they are persieved.

I have listened very well, I have addressed your points, you are the one who goes off on tangents and misrepresents the comments of others.

Why does everything degenerate into:

"You're just a liberal!"
"You're just a conservative!"
"Dems suck!"
"Republicans suck!"

That's one problem our country has - too much bullshit based on private political agenda and our citizenry has been dragged into it.