December/January Debate: Has JK set herslef up for a fall?

Started by sammii3 pages

yeh i agree hes ded just let it be

she no's what shes doing. you are her loyal fans. how can you doubt her?

exactly know 1 truly knows what shes got planned shes not stupid im sure she knows exactly what shes doing xx

Personally, I think it would be a terrible shame for J.K to make the last book predictable. But then on the other hand, it would also contribute much to my annoyance if she were to leave the loose ends for us all to guess for 20 years - at which point she'll give in to public demand and write the *gasps* 8th book. We'll all find out the secrets, won't live up to expectation, we'll all be duly gutted.

I'm just not that easy to please, let's hope she pulls it off again then...

Originally posted by exanda kane
I like it too. Too dark, and i cant see how Rowling would ever be able to succesfully do it but it's a thought.

On the contrary, I think Jo would be quite capable. The thought itself, though, is not at all her style and I'd expect Jo would give Snape a method to his madness the same way she did Voldemort; give him a reason to tick. We've only begun to learn of Snape's past, though, it is quite obvious it was a dark, lonely one.

Yeah. She has to tell us about Snape's past in the next book.

Don't forget what Dumbledore said to Draco about being able to hide him and his parents in ways that they could not imagine maybe a faked death is one of those ways. Perhaps he felt the only way to get harry to truly accept his destiny was to fake his death and maybe in a final duel dumbledore will show up at a crucial moment to aid Harry. If this is the case, and it is probably as far from accurate as possible, then Snape would have been loyal all along.
And personally I thought the 6th book was the best so far but is just my opinion.

Aaaaarrrggh I hate being kept in suspense I need the next book now!

This is what...

i think jk knows exactly what shes doin !!!

Originally posted by The Omega
If Snape is really evil (after all)... Rowling will be disappointing me!
Too easy!
Now, I've re-read Goblet of Fire lately - and Voldemart has an interesting comment in regards to the Death-Eaters - namely that one, Voldemort assumes, is lost forever. Counting what what Death-eater is, and is doing, this can ONLY be Snape. And also... What is it that Dumbledore asks Snape to do when Harry returns to Hogwarts after seeing Voldemort return?

Now - combine this with the OATH that Snape takes at the beginning of Half-blood prince to help Draco. And Dumbledores "please", just before Snape kills him... (because Draco can't)...

Nope - I think the good Rowling has a surprise in store for us.

Geez, Omega, that's a little beneath you.

Such possibilities have been aruged and counter-argued to death so much that it is in fact Snape being good that is now 'too easy' and not even vaguely a surrpise. The twist would be if he IS evil, now. That's how far it has gotten.

This was in fact the entire point of my proposal for this argument; simply stating one of the already extremely obvious and not at all surprising possibilities does not alter what I said.

The third option is that Snape is neutral? Please. By killing DD he is either declaring for the bad guys or following the plan of the good.

Snape is either good or evil. Two options. Rowling has cancelled down everything to this central question now, and I still cannot see any possible way that she concludes this plot without it being a disappointment. Either he's good, which is such a painfully obvious development as to be of no value at all, or he's evil, in which case it will just simply upset people, who seem to be desperate to view Snape as a good guy. Either option will also upset the proponents of the other.

There has been no proposed twist or possible resolution that will really effectively tie this issue up, so unless you have unwavering faith in the possible genius of Rowling... then this build up is simply not going to pay off.

I really think it wasn't a good idea- it made a good ending to book 6 but buggers up possible drama for book 7.

It rumbles on from there, Dumbledore's dead? He seemed to get a poor send off. He's actually alive? Could he be any more of a shameless Gandalf copy?

Can anyone think of a way of Harry winning that will not seem a disappointing cliche? Heroic victory, sacrificial victory, it's all been panned out and analysed since book 3. Dare Rowling have him lose? If done in a dramatic way, that would maintain dramatic momentum by wrenching the viewer as she has done in books before. Somehow I doubt she will try.

I think Rowling has already blown all the biggest drama. It leaves book 7 with little left to do other than wrap up several storylines that have no real life left inside them- 6 exposed them all.

I seriously cannot see 7 holding any surprises for me.

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The singular exception is RAB. But if it ig guessable at all, then who doubts it has already been exposed?

And if it's not guessable, then it's not much of a surprise, it's just a... thing.

RAB = Regulus A. Black? *shrug* 😛

Originally posted by Captain REX
RAB = Regulus A. Black? *shrug* 😛

That's been the rumor since the book came out. That was the first thing that popped into my head when I read HBP.

And I really must say I think that Snape is truly on Voldemort's side. While it would be like Dumbledore to have had that all planned and such and having Snape be a double-double crosser.....I really don't believe it.

I dunno, though. Either book 7 is going to be really good, or a mass disappointment - I don't see much way for it to fall in between.

I think she has somethinmg planned that willl surprise us all... but I don't know what... he's already realoised he loves Ginny, Ron/ Hermione, DD's dead...
She has a surprise in store for us but I knew as soon as I finished that book, the day after it was realeased (it took 25 hrs with breaks etc) that RAB was Regulus Black... or is he? Is there a twist that EVERYONE has overlooked? A small detail, somewhere, that will in fact be the entire basis of an ultimate twist?

There MUST be a twist about the DD/ Voldemort realtionship...

hmm slash maybe lol (joking)

I hope she does better than the last one I totally felt it was worse than a badly written fic.

I think that OoTP was worse because there, you could tell she'd written really long bits and started on good ideas but it was just TOO LONG and the editors cut it down so it didnt work well... HBP was great, a really good book and everything, but it was just too much build up and all...

yeah,there has to be some kind of a twist about the whole DD and VD relationship.Can't wait for the seventh book!!!🙂

Nor can I...

I was watching the interview of JK that was made when the last movie came out, and she kept saying how it was great working with the director, how they worked together on it, and how he was putting things in the movie right now, that he doesn't know yet, but forshadow or reappear in the last too books.
meaning- JK has left many questions, but she does them on purpose. she plans them out that way.

I really believe in Joe. Off course there are ganna be a lot of people that disagree with the ending, but u cant please everyone. People will just have to deal with it. The world of Harry Potter came completly from her emagination, so noone should know more about the come out of this war then her

Originally posted by Knightfall93
I think that OoTP was worse because there, you could tell she'd written really long bits and started on good ideas but it was just TOO LONG and the editors cut it down so it didnt work well... HBP was great, a really good book and everything, but it was just too much build up and all...

Too long? It wasn't good because it was too long? Wow...never thought i'd hear anything like that before.

Got to have more than saying a book is too long. So i take it your not a fan of reading large books.

Long books doesn't make a book good or bad

depends on how it is written

take Terry Goodkind's books for example. Almost all of them get really close to a 1000 pages. And he has like i think it was 9 or 10 books out. And they are really really good.

And what do you mean too much of a build up? Start explaining what you mean, so it's easier to understand.

I honestly say, the longer the book is the better. Finished HBP in less than 9 hours, and didn't get to bed until 4 o'clock in the morning. read it all at once. 😄

Personally, i agree with Joe, and with goddess.

Rowling wouldn't set herself for a fall. As you can tell she loves these books, and she wants to do things very well and detailed.

Rowling is quite the master at pulling a few unexpected tricks, and leaves plenty of clues for her readers.

She means to do this, so she could make a grand finale in the Harry Potter series

and who knows, all because this series ends, doesn't mean we won't see more from her.

for all we know, she could get an idea for a whole new book (s) and she might captivate a large audience again, like she did with the HP books.

think i've said my share for the night.