Originally posted by eggmayo
Maybe imposing tougher sanctions on the people hiring them would dissuade some?
There are alot of laws that are supposed to do this already except guess what........they don't work as expected sadly enough. Anyway whats irritating is the way the mexican govt is responding to the wall, so lame.
Originally posted by JacopeX
I disagree. West germany and east geramny was a very bad idea because the two parts where uneven with supplies and money. West germany was very poor because russia didnt do there job of helping west germany. USA, great britain, and freance where the ones who did there job by helping east germany with money and supplies.
Originally posted by Snoopbertso long as there is demand for migrant workers, nothing will stop them from coming here. you think we can frighten them with guns and a stupid frikin wall? in the face of seeing their families suffer, they risk their lives every day to come here. thats reality.
They're [b]both a problem. I'd rather get rid of them both, but it's much easier to stop the flow of Illegal Imigrants (Believe it or not, they're not all Mexican =O =O =O), then deport the rest of the illegals. If you remove the one's that hire them, another will replace them. [/B]
erase the demand, and there is no reason for them to come here.
(and in america, the majority are mexican.)
the solution is as simple as punishing rich white businessmen, but OH LORD WE CANT DO THAT!!!!1111ONEONE rather than fine the shit out of them and actually gain revenue, lets build a ridiculous wall, sink ourselves further into defecite, and solve little or nothing....just so we dont have to give up our racist tendencies. (racism not aimed at you, but you must admit many opinions are steered purely by that)
supply and demand. its such a basic and simple concept but people wont hear it. because we are conditioned to blame and hate the impoverished brown man, rather than the fat cat inviting him and paying him.
Originally posted by PVS
so long as there is demand for migrant workers, nothing will stop them from coming here. you think we can frighten them with guns and a stupid frikin wall? in the face of seeing their families suffer, they risk their lives every day to come here. thats reality.erase the demand, and there is no reason for them to come here.
(and in america, the majority are mexican.)the solution is as simple as punishing rich white businessmen, but OH LORD WE CANT DO THAT!!!!1111ONEONE rather than fine the shit out of them and actually gain revenue, lets build a ridiculous wall, sink ourselves further into defecite, and solve little or nothing....just so we dont have to give up our racist tendencies. (racism not aimed at you, but you must admit many opinions are steered purely by that)
supply and demand. its such a basic and simple concept but people wont hear it. because we are conditioned to blame and hate the impoverished brown man, rather than the fat cat inviting him and paying him.
lol not to mention the conditioning required to think that all the men in charge are fat white men!!!! 😂
So we punish what 200 of your "rich white business men" (hell women run companies as well) for what 1 million each? 20 million dollars.......even more or we take some of the people off border patrol that are gonna be more like 48 million a year MINIMUM increase (not current costs just expected increases with NEW guards) and I can see where your idea makes alot of sense.........uh huh. Lets also not forget the legal costs of making these people pay so you generate FAR less revenue then you expect.............
Originally posted by PVSI said it was easier, not what was appropriate. As long as there is an easier option, then it'll happen. And quite honestly, I don't give a rats ass about the pain and suffering of Illegal Immigrants because they're own country sucks. Let them revolution in there. Or change they're government, or wahtever, but do it there, not here.
so long as there is demand for migrant workers, nothing will stop them from coming here. you think we can frighten them with guns and a stupid frikin wall? in the face of seeing their families suffer, they risk their lives every day to come here. thats reality.erase the demand, and there is no reason for them to come here.
(and in america, the majority are mexican.)the solution is as simple as punishing rich white businessmen, but OH LORD WE CANT DO THAT!!!!1111ONEONE rather than fine the shit out of them and actually gain revenue, lets build a ridiculous wall, sink ourselves further into defecite, and solve little or nothing....just so we dont have to give up our racist tendencies. (racism not aimed at you, but you must admit many opinions are steered purely by that)
supply and demand. its such a basic and simple concept but people wont hear it. because we are conditioned to blame and hate the impoverished brown man, rather than the fat cat inviting him and paying him.
Originally posted by Snoopbert
I said it was easier, not what was appropriate. As long as there is an easier option, then it'll happen. And quite honestly, I don't give a rats ass about the pain and suffering of Illegal Immigrants because they're own country sucks. Let them revolution in there. Or change they're government, or wahtever, but do it there, not here.
building a giant 2000 mile long wall is easier than
simply imposing more sanctions on those who hire?
and we are going off coarse by saying "i dont care about them blah blah"
as much as i would liek to call it a bloated and cold outlook, neither of our opinions matter. they WILL come here.
-build giant wall $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
or
- impose a stiff penalty on those who hire
Originally posted by soleran30
lol not to mention the conditioning required to think that all the men in charge are fat white men!!!! 😂
ZOMG LOLZ!!!!!!!!1111111ELEVENELEVEN!!111!!! useless response if i ever saw one. i said rich white men. 1 out of 100 are not white? should i care? does anyone have common sense here?
Originally posted by soleran30
So we punish what 200 of your "rich white business men" (hell women run companies as well) for what 1 million each? 20 million dollars.......even more or we take some of the people off border patrol that are gonna be more like 48 million a year MINIMUM increase (not current costs just expected increases with NEW guards) and I can see where your idea makes alot of sense.........uh huh. Lets also not forget the legal costs of making these people pay so you generate FAR less revenue then you expect.............
you miss the point purposely just to carry on and be pompous it seems. you're droning on about less revenue and im talking about the alternative being disasterous to our deficite. what the f*** is the logic in splitting hairs on revenue when the alternative is DEBT
common sense anyone?
oh and you are sooooooo right. the law never serves to protect the wealthy at the expense of the middle class. never. just an illusion.
your desperate attempt to take all focus off of those who hire them is proof of said conditioning. 🙂 give me your paw....beg...now roll over play dead.
Originally posted by PVS
ZOMG LOLZ!!!!!!!!1111111ELEVENELEVEN!!111!!! useless response if i ever saw one. i said rich white men. 1 out of 100 are not white? should i care? does anyone have common sense here?you miss the point purposely just to carry on and be pompous it seems. you're droning on about less revenue and im talking about the alternative being disasterous to our deficite. what the f*** is the logic in splitting hairs on revenue when the alternative is DEBT
common sense anyone?oh and you are sooooooo right. the law never serves to protect the wealthy at the expense of the middle class. never. just an illusion.
LOL typical PVS response.......
Well with responses like these I then assume you know some of the other alternatives that are on the table or were on the table to correct this issue.
Since you are so up on our DEFICIT and DEBT you must know that these illegal immigrants cost billions and billions of dollars.
So wow me with your piece on illegal immigrants and their plight again........here is a great site for more information.
Originally posted by soleran30
LOL typical PVS response.......Well with responses like these I then assume you know some of the other alternatives that are on the table or were on the table to correct this issue.
Since you are so up on our DEFICIT and DEBT you must know that these illegal immigrants cost billions and billions of dollars.
So wow me with your piece on illegal immigrants and their plight again........here is a great site for more information.
once again you desperately avoid the point.
i know you're doing it on purpose and i want to know why?
you feel that this money pit is a better option? as ridiculous as it is,
i would at least partially respect your opinion if you acknowledged that
businesses are getting away with hiring them. not just private contractors and mom and pop shops, buy megastores like walmart just got busted for hiring millions of illegals across the country, and will neverhave to answer for it. you know this but for some reason you see them as being completely innocent and removed from the problem. why? why do you remain intentionally and proudly ignorant of this? as well as the simple law of supply (immigrants) and demand (businesses who hire them). why do you ignore the fact that a lack of supply increases demand, and a lack of demand renders the supply useless? is so frikin elementary 😖
Originally posted by PVS
once again you desperately avoid the point.
i know you're doing it on purpose and i want to know why?you feel that this money pit is a better option? as ridiculous as it is,
i would at least partially respect your opinion if you acknowledged that
businesses are getting away with hiring them. not just private contractors and mom and pop shops, buy megastores like walmart just got busted for hiring millions of illegals across the country, and will neverhave to answer for it. you know this but for some reason you see them as being completely innocent and removed from the problem. why? why do you remain intentionally and proudly ignorant of this?
No on the contrary you seem to feel that the "big man" whatever you decide to characterize in that role is the deciding factor and the where with all to end this. I have made several pieces available for you to educate yourself on this topic as I have addressed this piece now on four different posts.
I have never EVER once said I agree with how large corporations or any employeer for that matter is handled in this discussion or any other of the 4-5 immigrant posts on here in how penalties are recieved. However I have looked to other means.....this wall deters illegal immigrants and inceases homeland security, 2 birds one stone.
So the wall is going to be disasterious to our deficit please help me with my econ here break it down for me show me how this is the disasterous piece for our economy..........I can show you 11-20 billion dollar loses due to illegal immigrants.
Originally posted by PVS
so long as there is demand for migrant workers, nothing will stop them from coming here. you think we can frighten them with guns and a stupid frikin wall? in the face of seeing their families suffer, they risk their lives every day to come here. thats reality.erase the demand, and there is no reason for them to come here.
(and in america, the majority are mexican.)the solution is as simple as punishing rich white businessmen, but OH LORD WE CANT DO THAT!!!!1111ONEONE rather than fine the shit out of them and actually gain revenue, lets build a ridiculous wall, sink ourselves further into defecite, and solve little or nothing....just so we dont have to give up our racist tendencies. (racism not aimed at you, but you must admit many opinions are steered purely by that)
supply and demand. its such a basic and simple concept but people wont hear it. because we are conditioned to blame and hate the impoverished brown man, rather than the fat cat inviting him and paying him.
I completely agree with this. I'd rather save the money that would be required to build the wall and spend the effort on stomping the shit out of the people that really deserve it. I may not like illegal immigration, but at the end of the day, I can't blame the honest ones.
What we also need is a new, easily accessible temporary work program.