Originally posted by psycho gundam
and thor still won't be able to dispose of him
I'm sure once he stops holding back his strength, which is more than Surfer could ever hope to know, it'll be Blood and Thunder all over.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Even when its in his own book, and he outright says he's out to kill, and Surfer is relatively passive most of the way through. canon. 👆
Is this the part where you again pretend Thor isn't gravely wounded?
Surfer fans wish he could perform as well as Thor has under these circumstances. If he managed to even budge Odin much less cause him pain, I'd never hear the end of it.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm sure once he stops holding back his strength, which is more than Surfer could ever hope to know, it'll be Blood and Thunder all over.Is this the part where you again pretend Thor isn't gravely wounded?
Is this the part where you pretend Thor was ever shown or explicitly stated to be weakened in any matter whatsoever from this vague magical wound, that didn't stop him from flying at top speeds straight at Galan's head, hurt said character (definitely a high feat as of late for Thor) and in general move around and swing Mjolnir to kill with all the mustard he has?
Is he fighting gingerly as if the wound is impeding him in any way? No.
Is it keeping him from flying at top speeds? No.
Is it affecting his durability? No.
You don't get to pretend that his stats were weakened in any matter by this injury with no proof, and then also get to hold on to the idea that Asgardians are so tough because they can survive for extended periods even without vital organs. His vitals are intact, and its not keeping him from doing ANYTHING he wants to. All we know is that it hurts, is supposed to be 'weird', but that he is able to ignore the pain and go all out.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Is this the part where you pretend Thor was ever shown or explicitly stated to be weakened in any matter whatsoever from this vague magical wound, that didn't stop him from flying at top speeds straight at Galan's head, hurt said character (definitely a high feat as of late for Thor) and in general move around and swing Mjolnir to kill with all the mustard he has?Is he fighting gingerly as if the wound is impeding him in any way? No.
Is it keeping him from flying at top speeds? No.
Is it affecting his durability? No.
You don't get to pretend that his stats were weakened in any matter by this injury with no proof, and then also get to hold on to the idea that Asgardians are so tough because they can survive for extended periods even without vital organs. His vitals are intact, and its not keeping him from doing ANYTHING he wants to. All we know is that it hurts, is supposed to be 'weird', but that he is able to ignore the pain and go all out.
Da**...
Rage, you are my boy but Cosmic just owned the H*** out of you.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Is this the part where you pretend Thor was ever shown or explicitly stated to be weakened in any matter whatsoever from this vague magical wound, that didn't stop him from flying at top speeds straight at Galan's head, hurt said character (definitely a high feat as of late for Thor) and in general move around and swing Mjolnir to kill with all the mustard he has?Is he fighting gingerly as if the wound is impeding him in any way? No.
Is it keeping him from flying at top speeds? No.
Is it affecting his durability? No.
You don't get to pretend that his stats were weakened in any matter by this injury with no proof, and then also get to hold on to the idea that Asgardians are so tough because they can survive for extended periods even without vital organs. His vitals are intact, and its not keeping him from doing ANYTHING he wants to. All we know is that it hurts, is supposed to be 'weird', but that he is able to ignore the pain and go all out.
The Mighty Thor #1:"It glows rather than bleeds Sif. What nature of wound is this?"
"You're hurt. You're hurting. You're in pain. You're distracted, you're..."
"Your wound, Thor. 'Tis worse. And Weirder."
"'Tis a wound in my gut, it grows, and it hurts like Hel."
These scans obviously point to the opposite. Maybe he's more powerful than before like you suggested last time, since those pained and sweaty expressions are clearly fake. vin
Yes, due to their physiology, Asgardian's are tough to kill with conventional wounds. Unfortunately no contradiction exists. As a matter of fact, this isn't even a conventional wound. It leaks energy and has been getting worse.
Like I said before, it's not even ambiguous. Thor is seriously injured. The fact that he's tough enough to battle Surfer to a standstill despite the injury doesn't take away from what he's going through.
This is just confirmation bias. Thor's wounded but because he's performing against Surfer in a way that you don't like the wound can't possibly be impairing him as evidence suggests.
Originally posted by carver9
Da**...Rage, you are my boy but Cosmic just owned the H*** out of you.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
both odin and thor almost knocked themselves out after doing it however. then galactus did a cosmic version of brushing his shoulders off after.
Fraction's Thor is too violent. He's like permanently pissed off.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes, I'm obviously off base here. How could I ever reach the conclusion that Thor's weakened?These scans obviously point to the opposite. Maybe he's more powerful than before like you suggested last time, since those pained and sweaty expressions are clearly fake. vin
Yep. Just as predicted;
Is this the part where you pretend Thor was ever shown or explicitly stated to be weakened in any matter whatsoever from this vague magical woundyou post the exact same scans that fail to prove exactly what I asked you to prove. No statement or feat to suggest that he's operating under his standard levels while injured. No statement that its actually weakening his power whatsoever. 🙂
And no, fool, don't misremember the words. I didn't say the wound is making him more powerful, I said this Thor is operating at levels noticeably more powerful than he standardly is, and this was in contest to your baseless claim that he was 'noticeably weaker'. Nope, not by actual feats of combat. 🙂
Lets review.
Standard Thor was able to humilate a non-absorbing Red Hulk--who's still easily a high class 100.
Fraction Thor?
-Able to bring Worthy Thing to death's door in one shot. And it wasn't even a big attack, it was simply from calling Mjolnir BACK to his hands. Worthy Thing annihilated the same Red Hulk mentioned earlier
-Able physically BFR/KO Worthy Hulk with one charged up blow.
-Able to noticeably hurt Galactus--while flying at such speeds that even Surfer was startled for a moment--and able to recover from the damage of the impact with Galactus in moments.
All by the same writer, all within the midst of the same story arc--with the surfer stuff just before it all arts, all the while he's still inflicted by this vague injury.
This was simply in response to you saying Fraction Thor is always blood lusted or something to that extent, which would have meaning if while blood lusted under Fraction he was doing things he could just as easily do casually, but he's not, while bloodlusted under Fraction he's doing very high level things.
So yes, once again, Thor is operating noticeably MORE powerful under Fraction, even with this injury, in direct contrast to your claim that he's noticeably weakened. Which he's not. At all.
Yes, due to their physiology, Asgardian's are tough to kill with conventional wounds. Unfortunately no contradiction exists. As a matter of fact, this isn't even a conventional wound. It leaks energy and has been getting worse.
Afterall, we've seen Thor clutch his sides from conventional wounds like Wolverine's claws--which were entirely superficial. Yet he's fighting just fine against Surfer and Galan with with magical wound, and its not like his wound is open either, he's wearing special armor during this whole deal.
Like I said before, it's not even ambiguous. Thor is seriously injured. The fact that he's tough enough to battle Surfer to a standstill despite the injury doesn't take away from what he's going through.This is just confirmation bias. Thor's wounded but because he's performing against Surfer in a way that you don't like the wound can't possibly be impairing him as evidence suggests.
No, its confirmation bias to assume Thor's stats are being tampered with in any way just because you have information saying he's wounded--when actual on panel combat feats show no weakening whatsoever and no explicit statement thus far says the wound is weakening his power.
All out blood lusted mid-herald (Angrir/Thing) one shotting capable Thor while in the safety of his own book, did nothing more than stalemate with a mostly passive, diplomatic Surfer. Canon. Deal with it.
