Originally posted by The Sorrow
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So Hulk takes on one half of the PF while Xavier, Scarlett Witch, Iceman, Cap, Thor, Magneto etc takes on the other 😂
What about Ms. Marvel?
Originally posted by The Sorrow
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So Hulk takes on one half of the PF while Xavier, Scarlett Witch, Iceman, Cap, Thor, Magneto etc takes on the other 😂
What about Ms. Marvel?
Originally posted by The Sorrow
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So Hulk takes on one half of the PF while Xavier, Scarlett Witch, Iceman, Cap, Thor, Magneto etc takes on the other 😂
I'm still sticking to my idea that none of the avatars have anything more than a fraction of a percentage of an iota of the PF. That the actual "bird" has not been "divided" amongst them.
Like with Surfer and the Power Cosmic, he has enough of it to be a fearsome Herald, but he is not the manifestation of the PC in its totality.
I just cannot imagine a Galactus challenging force can be poured into 5 beings and then said beings can be 1) scared of Rulk and 2) engaged by Hulk.
I know I say the HulkForce is a universal force but, until Marvel actually make that explicit, this shouldn't really happen.
Not to say that he should be KOed like Thor, no, Hulk is clearly orders of magnitude more powerful now but still ... not challenging a fraction of the PF.
BTW, the fight with Phoerost isn't apparently going on at the same time as the astral dinner date with Scott, so she's not really all that engaged with Hulk at all.
Originally posted by janus77
It's difficult to process how much of an atrocity the whole Phoenix Force avatar business has become in AvX.I'm still sticking to my idea that none of the avatars have anything more than a fraction of a percentage of an iota of the PF. That the actual "bird" has not been "divided" amongst them.
Like with Surfer and the Power Cosmic, he has enough of it to be a fearsome Herald, but he is not the manifestation of the PC in its totality.
I just cannot imagine a Galactus challenging force can be poured into 5 beings and then said beings can be 1) scared of Rulk and 2) engaged by Hulk.
I know I say the HulkForce is a universal force but, until Marvel actually make that explicit, this shouldn't really happen.
Not to say that he should be KOed like Thor, no, Hulk is clearly orders of magnitude more powerful now but still ... not challenging a fraction of the PF.
BTW, the fight with Phoerost isn't apparently going on at the same time as the astral dinner date with Scott, so she's not really all that engaged with Hulk at all.
Btw , Sinister correctly assessed the fact that those five are substandard hosts in a previous Uncanny issue .
Anyways even if you have the full PF , you can still be beaten by beings far less powerful than you if you aren't acclimatized to the power . PF-Rachel's performance against Thor is proof of that .
Originally posted by janus77
It's difficult to process how much of an atrocity the whole Phoenix Force avatar business has become in AvX.I'm still sticking to my idea that none of the avatars have anything more than a fraction of a percentage of an iota of the PF. That the actual "bird" has not been "divided" amongst them.
Like with Surfer and the Power Cosmic, he has enough of it to be a fearsome Herald, but he is not the manifestation of the PC in its totality.
I just cannot imagine a Galactus challenging force can be poured into 5 beings and then said beings can be 1) scared of Rulk and 2) engaged by Hulk.
I know I say the HulkForce is a universal force but, until Marvel actually make that explicit, this shouldn't really happen.
Not to say that he should be KOed like Thor, no, Hulk is clearly orders of magnitude more powerful now but still ... not challenging a fraction of the PF.
BTW, the fight with Phoerost isn't apparently going on at the same time as the astral dinner date with Scott, so she's not really all that engaged with Hulk at all.
If you don't believe that the entire entity was divided among those 5 members then where is the rest of the bird then?
And no they weren't scared of Rulk. Where did you get that from? Emma basically toyed with him until Scott blasted the shit out of him in the Avengers tie in.
Hulks performance in AvX 11 is justified because it has to correspond with Cap seeking out his help as somewhat of a last resort. It wouldn't make much sense for Cap to make such a dramatic speech toward Hulk along these lines, then turn around and have him 1 shot or beat with ease albeit it's within Emmas capabilities to do so. That's what I got from it.
BTW this was Savage Hulk am I right?
Originally posted by Sundipped
If you don't believe that the entire entity was divided among those 5 members then where is the test of the bird then?And no they weren't scared of Rulk. Where did you get that from? Emma basically toyed with him until Scott blasted the shit out of him in the Avengers tie in.
Hulks performance in AvX 11 is justified because it has to correspond to Cap seeking out his help as somewhat of a last resort. It wouldn't make much sense for Cap to make such a dramatic speech toward Hulk along these lines, then turn around and have him 1 shot or beat with ease albeit it's within Emmas capabilities to do so. That's what I got from it.
BTW this was Savage Hulk am I right?
And yes, I accept the story depiction, I just don't see it as Hulk going toe-to-toe with the 1/2 PF.
Also Emma was, if not scared, atleast somewhat intimidated by Rulk. She was reading his mind and saying that he was a dangerous foe and that they needed to get rid of him quickly.
AvX Hulk talks a little like Savage Hulk, but far calmer and without the anger. I don't think he's operating at anywhere near Savage Hulk levels though.
Even in Avengers Assemble, he's just orders of magnitude more powerful and durable than Thor, whereas Savage Hulk was always >= Thor.
It seems more like a happy/calm "innocent" Hulk. Not the dangerous instant annihilation WBH or the smart and powerful Green Scar but definitely not as primitive as Savage Hulk.
Originally posted by janus77
imo the PF isn't actually being fully manifest in the avatars. Sinister says they're not adequate hosts, but the result is the same. The avatars are not a true depiction of what 1/5, 1/4, 1/3, 1/2... of the PF is capable of.And yes, I accept the story depiction, I just don't see it as Hulk going toe-to-toe with the 1/2 PF.
Also Emma was, if not scared, atleast somewhat intimidated by Rulk. She was reading his mind and saying that he was a dangerous foe and that they needed to get rid of him quickly.
AvX Hulk talks a little like Savage Hulk, but far calmer and without the anger. I don't think he's operating at anywhere near Savage Hulk levels though.
Even in Avengers Assemble, he's just orders of magnitude more powerful and durable than Thor, whereas Savage Hulk was always >= Thor.
It seems more like a happy/calm "innocent" Hulk. Not the dangerous instant annihilation WBH or the smart and powerful Green Scar but definitely not as primitive as Savage Hulk.
It's impressive on Hulk's part, he seems to have found his niche these days he's been a beast for the last few years, especially since Paks work and more recently his role in Avengers movie. He was treated with respect in his AvX appearance, similar thing in the Avengers Assemble series.
According to one or two folk at Marvel apparently something is going to happen to Hulk at the end of Aaron's run which causes a change in him hence the dumb speech.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
According to one or two folk at Marvel apparently something is going to happen to Hulk at the end of Aaron's run which causes a change in him hence the dumb speech.
I really hope they aren't going to reset him to Savage Hulk. That whole "puny Banner!"/"Oh woe is me, what shall I do about this burden I have?" business was a dull pain, after a while.
They made wonderful progress with the character, with the meditation, the fleshing out of "The Hulk persona" and also with the growth of Banner into a legit fully functional genius.
I'd hate to see all that lost because they want to do something dramatic and new.
Originally posted by janus77
He's going to run for office? 😕I really hope they aren't going to reset him to Savage Hulk. That whole "puny Banner!"/"Oh woe is me, what shall I do about this burden I have?" business was a dull pain, after a while.
They made wonderful progress with the character, with the meditation, the fleshing out of "The Hulk persona" and also with the growth of Banner into a legit fully functional genius.
I'd hate to see all that lost because they want to do something dramatic and new.
Originally posted by janus77
He's going to run for office? 😕I really hope they aren't going to reset him to Savage Hulk. That whole "puny Banner!"/"Oh woe is me, what shall I do about this burden I have?" business was a dull pain, after a while.
They made wonderful progress with the character, with the meditation, the fleshing out of "The Hulk persona" and also with the growth of Banner into a legit fully functional genius.
I'd hate to see all that lost because they want to do something dramatic and new.
On topic, Victor owns Banner in typical Doom fashion: http://doktorvondoom.tumblr.com/image/31470545054
Originally posted by janus77
imo the PF isn't actually being fully manifest in the avatars. Sinister says they're not adequate hosts, but the result is the same. The avatars are not a true depiction of what 1/5, 1/4, 1/3, 1/2... of the PF is capable of.
Originally posted by id369
[B]Excalibur volume 1, issue #50
Rachael vs Necrom. Battle wise, good showings.
Asteroids, and moons are thrown at each other. Planetes are one shotted, and ignited to form a sun. Devastation to an entire Solar System.
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And look here, Mastermind accessing Rachel's power achieving Universal Cosmic Awareness and oneness with the Universe :
The P5 don't even seem to have Rachel level PF powers.
