Originally posted by Kazenjiyeah, thats whats going on here. stryfe is cable, joseph is magneto, madelyne prior is jean grey, ben reilly and kane are peter parker, the stepphord triplets are emma frost and twins in general are the same people. brillant. facepalm
I'm guessing you don't know what a clone is.
Originally posted by 753
yeah, thats whats going on here. stryfe is cable, joseph is magneto, madelyne prior is jean grey, ben reilly and kane are peter parker, the stepphord triplets are emma frost and twins in general are the same people. brillant. facepalm
It's also important to note that Genesis is a clone of the reincarnated Apoc. Makes the difference even bigger.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It's also important to note that Genesis is a clone of the reincarnated Apoc. Makes the difference even bigger.
Actually, that is not exactly true. Any person is the "sum" of their genes and their experiences. The "gene" part is always the same for a perfect clone, no matter if it's a first generation clone, or a clone of a clone. So it doesn't matter how many "clonings" away from the original a clone is, he/she is just as close to the original as the first clone. (if each cloning step is perfect, and the environment has been the same)
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
reincarnated = new body, blank state mind, etc.
Blank state of mind doesn't matter, it isn't inherited. New body matters IF it is genetically different to the original body.
But assuming the genetics of Apoc's reincarnated body were the same as the original's, then it makes no difference whether Evan was cloned from him or from the original Apoc.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That's exactly the case with reincarnation. Only the spirit remains the same.
Maybe, maybe not. What I do know, is that "reincarnated" people seem to perfectly resemble the originals. For example Jean, when reincarnated, had all the same genetically inherited features as the original: red hair, green eyes, etc. This implies the same genes.
As a side note, many of the "clones" in MU are not actually perfect clones:
X-23 cannot be a perfect clone of Wolverine, since they differ in their XY-chromosomes.
Kaine cannot be a perfect clone of Peter Parker since the former has genetic defects. Neither can most of the "clones" created by the Jackal. Ben Reilly... maybe?
Madelyne originally couldn't be a perfect clone of Jean, since the former didn't register as a mutant (which is a genetic trait).
Originally posted by Oliver North
ok, but to get away from comic-science, you are essentially admitting that, while genetically similar, 616 apoc and his young clone are not actually the same individual, yes? That was the point that started this debate...
Yes, I never refuted this. They are different individuals, with the same genes. Just like identical twins.
Originally posted by Magnon
Yes, I never refuted this. They are different individuals, with the same genes. Just like identical twins.
I think you misinterpreted what they were talking about then
nobody was suggesting clones had different genes, but that by being a clone of a reincarnation of 616 apoc, kid-apocalypse is even further removed, in terms of being different individuals, from 616 than if he were only a clone. nothing to do with genetics at all in fact. "Difference" meant in terms of like, degrees of separation.
Originally posted by Oliver North
I think you misinterpreted what they were talking about thennobody was suggesting clones had different genes, but that by being a clone of a reincarnation of 616 apoc, kid-apocalypse is even further removed, in terms of being different individuals, from 616 than if he were only a clone.
No, that I don't agree with. As I said earlier, what makes an individual is the sum of one's genes and experiences (which includes nurture, food, studies, training, and so on).
If original Apoc and the reincarnated one had the same genes, then it doesn't matter at all from which one Evan was cloned. No matter which Apoc the genetic material came from, he would be exactly the same individual, assuming he went through the same life in Fantomex's virtual reality program.
Originally posted by Magnon
No, that I don't agree with. As I said earlier, what makes an individual is the sum of one's genes and experiences (which includes nurture, food, studies, training, and so on).If original Apoc and the reincarnated one had the same genes, then it doesn't matter at all from which one Evan was cloned. No matter which Apoc the genetic material came from, he would be exactly the same individual, assuming he went through the same life in Fantomex's virtual reality program.
you know what the term "degrees-of-separation" refers to, yes?
