Originally posted by SasuOna😂 Lets not get too carried away,
He has 7 compressed red suns in each fist(I don't think I need to go into how ridiculously strong this makes Batman's suit by virtue of just moving with all that weight and not you know turning into a black hole)
Superman takes a few punches from it.
Superman's durability goes up some more and Batman is no joke in the new 52
Ray Palmer(who had a hand in shrinking said suns, per Batman) likely weighs around 200lbs when he's normal sized. When he 'Atomizes', his weight decreases in accordance with his size--when he shrinks down to the atomic level, for example, he only weighs about as much as a cell. I'm confident the same can be said about the suns he miniaturized for Batman's suit, as he is certainly not lifting the cumulative weight of 7 full-fledged stars.
okay comic book science aside(because its stupid)
making the sun smaller doesn't make it weigh less, it actually makes it heavier(a lot heavier)
I'm sure for the suit to even have red sun radiation effecting superman at all the suns structure can't have been compromised
So yes Superman is being weakened and taking hits from a suit moving with quintillion tons of sun power
Originally posted by SasuOna
okay comic book science aside(because its stupid)
making the sun smaller doesn't make it weigh less, it actually makes it heavier(a lot heavier)
I'm sure for the suit to even have red sun radiation effecting superman at all the suns structure can't have been compromised
So yes Superman is being weakened and taking hits from a suit moving with quintillion tons of sun power
Why would we ignore "comic book science" in a comic book?
So you and abhi think Batman is capable hitting with the power of 7 suns yet didn't think e could straight-up beat Diana? C'mon son!
That's like expecting a gun that fires red solar rays to incinerate everything on the planet.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I agree, why would he mention "dead solar systems" if it was just a miniature sun which weighed little? As stupid as it seems, it felt like Snyder meant Batman had actual red suns miniaturized in his gauntlet.
He likely did. But it's unlikely that Snyder took into account the strength factor and was only thinking of how the radiation from those suns would affect Superman.
Originally posted by abhilegendThis conclusion wasn't influenced in any way to make superman get a durability feat that will be endlessly posted even in a Hawkeye vs Catwoman thread.
I agree, why would he mention "dead solar systems" if it was just a miniature sun which weighed little? As stupid as it seems, it felt like Snyder meant Batman had actual red suns miniaturized in his gauntlet.
None at all
Originally posted by SasuOna
okay comic book science aside(because its stupid)
making the sun smaller doesn't make it weigh less, it actually makes it heavier(a lot heavier)
You're talking about compression, where there's no loss of mass. That's not what Ray Palmer does. Yes, they're suns, but I think it's more than a bit ridiculous to suggest they weigh trillions+ of tons.
Originally posted by Digi
You're talking about compression, where there's no loss of mass. That's not what Ray Palmer does. Yes, they're suns, but I think it's more than a bit ridiculous to suggest they weigh trillions+ of tons.
If Batman had said he was using partial red suns like the white dwarf in Palmers belt you would have a point but he described getting the suns from dead solar systems and making them microscopic with the help of palmer.
Originally posted by SasuOna
Ray Palmer shrinks down and retains all his strength because of how his powers work. He can't control the mass of other things as they are basically supposed to be unstable and blowing up when they are.If Batman had said he was using partial red suns like the white dwarf in Palmers belt you would have a point but he described getting the suns from dead solar systems and making them microscopic with the help of palmer.
Here ya go:
Originally posted by Galan007
😂 Lets not get too carried away,Ray Palmer(who had a hand in shrinking said suns, per Batman) likely weighs around 200lbs when he's normal sized. When he 'Atomizes', his weight decreases in accordance with his size--when he shrinks down to the atomic level, for example, he only weighs about as much as a cell. I'm confident the same can be said about the suns he miniaturized for Batman's suit, as he is certainly not lifting the cumulative weight of 7 full-fledged stars.
Originally posted by carver9
So when Ray shrinks down, does he still weigh 180 to 200 pounds?
No. Imagine 200lbs. spread over nothing but the width of a cell. If he were, say, standing on a desk, the concentrated pressure would send him right through it. He's also ridden on the shoulders of non-superhumans, who I imagine would struggle a bit with a 200lb. paperweight on their arm.
So yeah, what Galan said. And in other words, the Batsuit there isn't carrying incalculable tons of sun.
Originally posted by SasuOnaOn the off chance you're half-correct, Batman/Atom's suit wouldn't need red star radiation to hurt Superman given that it can contain like 5-6+ stars in each hand and strike him effortlessly. It would make superman's benchpress Earth mass for 5 days while weak look pathetic in comparison.
Ray Palmer shrinks down and retains all his strength because of how his powers work. He can't control the mass of other things as they are basically supposed to be unstable and blowing up when they are.If Batman had said he was using partial red suns like the white dwarf in Palmers belt you would have a point but he described getting the suns from dead solar systems and making them microscopic with the help of palmer.