Originally posted by Blue Area VetI saw youtube comic video on this, its not technically T'Challa that made the universe, he only travel through time. Reed and his family are now out there fixing up the universe and returning Owen Reece to each parallel worlds.
Check the feat, T'Challa uses the reality gem to reconstruct a universe.
Originally posted by 80sBaby
It was the Time Gem and BP didn't fix anything.
Yes it was. He didn't turn back time. If that was the case, how did Wankadan get that space program? How are the incursions not destined to happen? How is Doom's face changed? How are the Ulitimate Universe characters present in the 616?
Originally posted by vansonbee
I saw youtube comic video on this, its not technically T'Challa that made the universe, he only travel through time. Reed and his family are now out there fixing up the universe and returning Owen Reece to each parallel worlds.
I'd say that's wrong. Would not make sense that way.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Erm....it was Owen.Miles and his mom are in the 616 because Miles gave owen a burger.
Really? Then what about Maker? What about Doom's face and changed attitude? The Time gem would have nothing to do with that. He changed reality. Going back in time would be idiotic because there would be no way to stop the incursions and being that we already have the launch of the new comics, we know none of that stuff was relived. It couldn't have been the time gem as depicted.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Really? Then what about Maker? What about Doom's face and changed attitude? The Time gem would have nothing to do with that. He changed reality. Going back in time would be idiotic because there would be no way to stop the incursions and being that we already have the launch of the new comics, we know none of that stuff was relived. It couldn't have been the time gem as depicted.
Hickman says here they never quite settled on whether it was time or reality, as both could take BP back in time if needed.
As for who recreated the universe, it's pretty clearly Owen/Reed.
Doom and Reed say Reed would do a better job, Owen says okay then and destroys Battleworld, then him and Reed recreated everything. I mean in the last page you see Reed say with Owen's help he 'fixed some things he'd been wrong about' including Doom's face. And Owen was clearly the one to save Miles/resurrect his mother. And Sue says it was Reed who saved them from the Life Raft. And then we see Reed/Owen/Franklin recreating the multiverse.
So yeah, it's pretty clear it was Reed/Owen who remade the universe. T'challa just used the gem to get back to where he started in New Avengers #1, but in the rebuilt reality.
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/hickman-brevoort-discuss-secret-wars-end-ushering-in-the-new-marvel-universeHickman says here they never quite settled on whether it was time or reality, as both could take BP back in time if needed.
As for who recreated the universe, it's pretty clearly Owen/Reed.
Doom and Reed say Reed would do a better job, Owen says okay then and destroys Battleworld, then him and Reed recreated everything. I mean in the last page you see Reed say with Owen's help he 'fixed some things he'd been wrong about' including Doom's face. And Owen was clearly the one to save Miles/resurrect his mother. And Sue says it was Reed who saved them from the Life Raft. And then we see Reed/Owen/Franklin recreating the multiverse.
So yeah, it's pretty clear it was Reed/Owen who remade the universe. T'challa just used the gem to get back to where he started in New Avengers #1, but in the rebuilt reality.
Nope, that's not what was shown to happen. Him and Reed didn't create anything, there are simply expanding the universe after BP created a new reality with the reality gem. He didn't time travel, there is evidence against that. Plus, traveling back in time to a point where the universe was doomed would be idiotic. Even insidepulse agrees it was the time gem:
The End has arrived. Black Panther has the Reality Gem in his palm. With one gaze, he makes a hasty retreat. The absence of light gives way to his return to his beloved domain. The MU proper has is what it was with no evidence of tampering. T’Challa is beaming with pride over his scientists’ development of stellar cartography and the discovery of another solar system. They view a rocket heading for outer space. The Wakandan King explains that it’s the first step for his people to live among the stars. It’s the nation’s Alpha Flight.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Damn you kfish; beat me to it.
There is no evidence whatsover supporting anything regarding Owen recreating the universe. He blew shit up, BP uses the reality gem, Reed and Reece talk about expanding the universe IN THAT SEQUENCE. Anything else is pure spin and hateration. There is no possible way it could have been the time gem. Going back to the past to a point before the Beyonders come would in fact mean the Beyonders are coming and the world is doomed. T'Challa is smarter than that. And then there is the fact that Doom is a changed being and lacks the scar as depicted at the end of the book AND in the Ironman series. Plus if Reece simply created a new universe on his own, then BP wouldn't have had to do anything. And why wouldn't Reece have done that a long time ago? Please....
Lol. Hateration, eh?
You know, you could read the comic yourself?
Anyway, Sue tells Reed it was noble, doing what he did. Reed says he was unable (or unwilling?) to bring Johnny/Ben back:
Of course, he had help. From Owen.
Doom's face was healed by Reed/Owen (reed talks about fixing, as we look at Doom):
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/25021354/Secret_Wars_2015-_009-036.jpg.html
Panther just ran like a b!tch, in a desperate hail-mary attempt, and was surprised it worked 😛
But on a serious note, the past has been changed. The Beyonders are NOT coming, and never will, because in this NEW reality, no such thing ever happens.
Of course, he could also have ran away to the future.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
There is no evidence whatsover supporting anything regarding Owen recreating the universe. He blew shit up, BP uses the reality gem, Reed and Reece talk about expanding the universe IN THAT SEQUENCE. Anything else is pure spin and hateration. There is no possible way it could have been the time gem. Going back to the past to a point before the Beyonders come would in fact mean the Beyonders are coming and the world is doomed. T'Challa is smarter than that. And then there is the fact that Doom is a changed being and lacks the scar as depicted at the end of the book AND in the Ironman series. Plus if Reece simply created a new universe on his own, then BP wouldn't have had to do anything. And why wouldn't Reece have done that a long time ago? Please....
Except the universe isn't the same as it was before. In the previous version of the multiverse the incursions happened and the Beyonders were there, but now they're still dead as Owen and Reed recreated everything after the fact.
Panther goes back to where he was in NA #1, except it's a new multiverse so different things have happened ( such as Miles being edited in and his mother not dying etc) so the incursions don't happen. That#s exactly why we see the Alpha Flight rocket whereas in NA #1 the first incursion happened. So the world is not doomed, T'challa goes back to that point so he can advocate a new way of doing things as he was saying.
And Doom changed because Reed and Owen did it. Reed literally says 'I changed some things I was wrong about' as the art shows Doom in his castle with the fixed face.
And Reece didn't do stuff before because at that point what he Doom and Strange did was the best way of doing things. Reed even says his last goal is just to persuade Owen there's a better way than Doom.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. Hateration, eh?You know, you could read the comic yourself?
Anyway, Sue tells Reed it was noble, doing what he did. Reed says he was unable (or unwilling?) to bring Johnny/Ben back:
Of course, he had help. From Owen.
Doom's face was healed by Reed/Owen (reed talks about fixing, as we look at Doom):
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/25021354/Secret_Wars_2015-_009-036.jpg.htmlPanther just ran like a b!tch, in a desperate hail-mary attempt, and was surprised it worked 😛
😆 Panther ran?? SCANS! DAFUC are you talking about? Being you are acting comic book illiterate, there is an entire page, posted in this thread, about how Reed, Reece and Franklin are creating a new mulitiverse. That is, after Panther restored the prime verse.
Originally posted by Blue Area VetIt was not Panther who restored it, it was Reed/Franklin/Owen. It's made very clear in the interview that has just been posted:
after Panther restored the prime verse.
Doom's confession leads to the status quo of the new Marvel Universe, which appears to be a multiverse that's growing more and more each day thanks to the Molecule Man, Reed and his son Franklin.Brevoort: It's effectively a new multiverse. The biggest and most important thing here that nobody in the world will like, and that I'm the only one that keeps poking at, is the fact that the Marvel Universe is no longer the 616. I don't know if by the end of "Secret Wars" #9 there are 616 universes yet. There will be an infinite number of them. Realities that we've known and new ones that we've never visited before are being constantly created, and then mapped and explored by Reed and his family.
They started by restoring the Marvel Universe. So really, it's now the Prime Universe
You're wrong, as always.
Move on.
