Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Even if you won't like it I guess you can look forward to seeing Cyclops again possibly.
They should just admit that they're only doing this to spite Fox and be done with it. At least be honest about it.
Eh, I don't trust Marvel not to make an absolute mess of Cyclops. That's all they've been doing with him for the past few years anyway.
Originally posted by -Pr-
They should just admit that they're only doing this to spite Fox and be done with it. At least be honest about it.Eh, I don't trust Marvel not to make an absolute mess of Cyclops. That's all they've been doing with him for the past few years anyway.
Bendis and Joe Q are two aspects of the devil.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
They tried to change everything around in hopes to appeal to a new demographic but this demographic doesn't care. Like I was saying DC are lucky and clever in that they have a solid base of characters they don't change drastically and because of that they are memorable to everyone. Whereas with Marvel they have mixed all their relevant characters and made them into no names and nobody can attach themselves to them.As much as I love Marvel they have themselves to blame here. I'm glad at the same time that DC is really improving itself. Best of luck to them.
But that's not even cleverness by D.C., it's common sense. Marvel had gone to shit. Now it looks like they are breaking up the all new avengers already.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
But that's not even cleverness by D.C., it's common sense. Marvel had gone to shit. Now it looks like they are breaking up the all new avengers already.
Oh I didn't mean clever as in it was a brand new idea type thing. Common sense like you said.
And another revamp with Marvel NOW 2.0.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
They tried to change everything around in hopes to appeal to a new demographic but this demographic doesn't care. Like I was saying DC are lucky and clever in that they have a solid base of characters they don't change drastically and because of that they are memorable to everyone. Whereas with Marvel they have mixed all their relevant characters and made them into no names and nobody can attach themselves to them.As much as I love Marvel they have themselves to blame here. I'm glad at the same time that DC is really improving itself. Best of luck to them.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Marvel has dominated DC sales wise for most of a decade and more importantly the last few years. Marvel trying to appeal to a broader demographic is nothing new. I really don't see what's wrong with trying new things especially since the classic characters truly never die anyway.
There isn't, it's the manner as well a the pace by which they are doing it. And there is a LOT wrong with that:
- too much too soon
- can be done with the core audience in mind, doesn't have to be one or the other
- shitting all over continuity
- shitting all over past writers works
- asking you to give a shit about new characters that have replaced long loved ones in top level titles
- the diversity shit. I'm a black male and I've longed to see minority character be given a proper push, but not at the expense of established characters. What Marvel doesn't seem to realize is that they already HAVE incredible minority and female characters. All they had do was allow them to shine and trickle in some new ones. Notice the use of the word "trickle." What they are doing amounts to force feeding and I don't know too many people that wish to be force fed. On top of that, where the hell is this "new demographic" coming from? Because of the movies, Marvel has gained popularity beyond comic book readers, but when people see the movies, they see the core characters. Then they go to the books, and the core characters aren't there. WTF would they be interested in some names and faces they never heard off?
- all these shenanigans have lead to a departure of top level writing talent. Why put up with it? By the way, the writer for Vision, which is critically acclaimed, is leaving soon.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
We'll see in the coming months/years if their formula works. As a whole it seems to be working well enough judging from the past few years.
Past few years? You can't judge it by that because the rate of change has greatly accelerated. Again, the All New Avengers team is already being changed. What is a new reader who came on board for the All New Avengers supposed to think?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You attacked me specifically for no reason.Behave, son. Or I'll make you behave.
😂 I'd love to see you try.
That a nice retelling of events. You actually attacked me with this quote.
Wolverine had no healing factor at that moment, lol. You've never read a single comic book, bavsie. Entire kmc knows.
So don't read comics, which I do every week, my handle is "bavsie" and everyone know I don't read comics. The difference between me and you is I'm not anyone's victim and I don't give a shit what you say about me. But it's pretty cowardly to project your actions onto someone else.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
😂 I'd love to see you try.That a nice retelling of events. You actually attacked me with this quote.
Retard. All you'll ever be.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
So don't read comics, which I do every week, my handle is "bavsie" and everyone know I don't read comics. The difference between me and you is I'm not anyone's victim and I don't give a shit what you say about me. But it's pretty cowardly to project your actions onto someone else.
"Every week" you're checking out the Ownage thread, at best. Doesn't count as reading comics.
Just start acting like a normal poster once in your life and we'll let you stay. Otherwise you're screwed. It's... pretty simple, actually. Don't push your luck.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Marvel has dominated DC sales wise for most of a decade and more importantly the last few years. Marvel trying to appeal to a broader demographic is nothing new. I really don't see what's wrong with trying new things especially since the classic characters truly never die anyway.
It's true they may never die.
I just don't see the point in a female Thor, Black Iron "Man", Hydra Captain America, gay Iceman etc etc.
I don't care whether they are black, white, orange, rainbow. Whatever colour you are whatever sexuality you are just be a good character not because you are gay or you're black but because you are a good character. You just happen to be black.
Blue Marvel is a prime example of this. He has an interesting story of being around in a much earlier time and being rejected as a hero because of his ethnicity. And this adds a lot of backstory because it's relevant to real life history.
But I don't recall Kevin Greivoux or Marvel Execs banging on about him saying "Look guys we have black superhero, who is very strong and has antimatter blasts and can fly, did I also mention that he's black?"
They didn't back then. But now if a character becomes a woman, a character becomes Chinese, a character becomes black it's somehow relevant. I think it's really stupid. Their sales may have been over DC's like you say for the last few years. None of that stupid forced diversity stuff was as prevalent back then.
Take a character like Midnighter or Apollo. Why aren't they constantly being recognized as being gay characters and how they are so "progressive" etc. Because them being gay isn't why they are good characters.
The characters may never die, but Thor Odinson hasn't been seen for ages and his character has been dealt a great blow, Bruce Banner has now been depowered and replaced. Iron Man will soon be taken over, Captain America is now a Hydra Agent (which isn't as bad), Iceman all of a sudden is gay. And no comics are better for it. In fact Marvel is heading for such a slump and I really hope they sink deeper than even the Mariana Trench.
A modern example say America Chavez, is the fact that she is a lesbian constantly paraded around. No it isn't. She is actually a decent character. Appeal to new demographics yeah. Why change established characters that ethnic minorities already love anyway. Non whites won't suddenly love Hulk because he is now Asian or something. If I recall you're Asian yourself right? I doubt you actually have liked the Hulk more now that Cho is Hulk.
I remember talking to Darksaint and he said he wanted people like Sun Wukong to be more prominent. He isn't forced if he is more integrated into Marvel because he is already Asian. And he has a good story. Making Hulk Asian I don't think will make near any difference in China for example. Introducing Sun Wukong in an ongoing comic or as part of an event and market that. Now you are looking at some big money.
Classic characters never die (perhaps not always true). But don't shaft them for some stupid forced diversity. Why not instead create a gay character, a black character, an Asian character (Sun Wukong, Mikaboshi etc) and make them more prominent.