Originally posted by -K-M-..i suppose. Never cared for how that scene played out.
Yeah, but he only needed some energy ('some sort of energy discharge"😉 it appears to cause a spark. Unless we think his gun was truly an avatar buster (his finger had more power mind you) and that would mean Heimdall > Oblivion
Originally posted by Galan007
The very fact that it could do anything at all to a universal abstract being implies that it was powerful as hell.Only point is that I don't see a standard/unamped Kree blaster doing anything at all to Entropy(or Heimdall for that matter.) 👆
Doesn't sound like it needed to be powerful as he said 'some sort of energy discharge' nothing about power level...but just a discharge. Spark on gasoline soaked wood causing a fire. His finger as noted by him had more power then his gun.
Again, I think there is more context behind that scene as Heimdall is not abstract level.
Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, I'd just chalk it up to inconsistency. There is no doubt in my mind that the blaster was hugely amped. To what degree, however, is hard to say. Like I mentioned: I don't see a standard Kree blaster doing a damn thing to either of them, so...srug
Neither do I, which Genis said too. However, doesn't sound like he amped it that much as made sure to rub it in Heimdall's face that his little finger had enough power to obliterate him indicating it was well below his actual power.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Who said he was a pushover? But Gladiator has basically every major advantage and should rock him. Can Heimdall travel galaxies in a blink of an eye? No. So if Gladiator doesn't stomp him makes the showing very odd. Simple as thatHe also has low showings too, bringing showings like this down.
This doesn't make one bit of sense. You might as well take every speed showing from all characters that has fought slow pokes. It doesn't work like that, bro. Do we discredit all of Drax showings because he got over powered by She Hulk. You're trying too hard. Gladiator speed showings is legit.
Originally posted by Galan007
Odin's strength rating in the Handbooks has increased over the years.He was first capped around 60 tons:
http://i.imgur.com/sxCRZko.jpgThen he was capped around 75 tons:
http://i.imgur.com/6pJmrT1.jpgThen he was placed in tier 6 [75-100 tons]:
http://i.imgur.com/W8Xy5Ug.jpg____________________________________
Thor, however, was originally capped around 95 tons in the Handbooks:
http://i.imgur.com/tosSbft.jpgBut has been consistently in the 100 ton+/incalculable tier ever since:
http://i.imgur.com/WP0AQxQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Jr5I9bH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/P6F2co9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/OdnaOVq.jpg
Thanks. Point is (not directed at you), we don't use handbooks to determine power levels.
Originally posted by carver9
This doesn't make one bit of sense. You might as well take every speed showing from all characters that has fought slow pokes. It doesn't work like that, bro. Do we discredit all of Drax showings because he got over powered by She Hulk. You're trying too hard. Gladiator speed showings is legit.
Oh it's legit. Didn't say otherwise. But like you mentioned is it a feat that can be applied to a fight? Especially if he has troubles with hemidall is my point.
he shouldn't have troubles and I expect glads to get the better of him when the comics comics out. We shall have to wait and see
Originally posted by carver9
Thanks. Point is (not directed at you), we don't use handbooks to determine power levels.
Since when have I said use handbooks as gospel (in fact I have said the opposite of that for years)? But not like heimdall has really any strength feats. Unless you have feats to support he is above class 50 on average?
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Flight or combat speed? I can only recall a few instances where he used either.
I can't think of a single brick like Herald like Gladiator that has fought close to their flight speed (or AT light speed). I wouldn't go around saying Gladiator would combat someone at those levels of speed (unless someone tried to do the same against Gladiator). I don't bring up Gladiator combating at 100 times the speed of light and I'm not using this either but he is the fastest flight level guy in Marvel imo.
Originally posted by carver9
I can't think of a single brick like Herald like Gladiator that has fought close to their flight speed (or AT light speed). I wouldn't go around saying Gladiator would combat someone at those levels of speed (unless someone tried to do the same against Gladiator). I don't bring up Gladiator combating at 100 times the speed of light and I'm not using this either but he is the fastest flight level guy in Marvel imo.
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Originally posted by -K-M-
Since when have I said use handbooks as gospel (in fact I have said the opposite of that for years)? But not like heimdall has really any strength feats. Unless you have feats to support he is above class 50 on average?
Yes, his fight against Thor shook Asgard. That's far above 50 tons.
Originally posted by carver9
Yes, his fight against Thor shook Asgard. That's far above 50 tons.
Spider-man has shook city blocks at class 10-15. Puck has caused in earthquake with his reverent copy he's clas 5-10
As mentioned earlier ulik got the better of him with not much trouble. Ulik was about to kill him until Thor arrived
Originally posted by -K-M-
Spider-man has shook city blocks at class 10-15. Puck has caused in earthquake with his reverent copy he's clas 5-10As mentioned earlier ulik got the better of him with not much trouble. Ulik was about to kill him until Thor arrived
Ulik would get the best of Colossus if they ever met. That doesn't change his strength tier. Wolverine has gotten the best of Abomination and that still doesn't change his strength tier.
Spiderman and Puck isn't causing Asgard to quake in a fist fight. It just ain't happening.
Originally posted by carver9
Ulik would get the best of Colossus if they ever met. That doesn't change his strength tier. Wolverine has gotten the best of Abomination and that still doesn't change his strength tier.Spiderman and Puck isn't causing Asgard to quake in a fist fight. It just ain't happening.
It does because he was easily defeated
and if youre referring to the fight I'm thinking of that was Heimdall using weapons he hasn't used in 30+ years. Can you post the scan in question?
You pissed thr point if weaker characters can cause earthquake at class 10, why would it be so far beyond someone at class 50. Also are you talking about JIM? Earthquakes didn't make Heimdall go deaf and lose which you mentioned earlier
