Character Ownage

Started by OneDumbG05,121 pages

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i guess the question is how much of an advantage does the spider sense give him talking about time from the warning and reaction?

lets play devil's advocate and guess the time frame of a neurons firing and Lightning traveling and hitting the spider..

to put this in perspective take out the human equation of a human opponent firing at the spider and instead put something or someone with lightning fast computing firing capabilities.. a mind whose synapses travel at the speed of lightning or near it maybe have SS be the one firing at spiderman.. SS mind operating at the speed of lightning and firing at the spider from his eyes.

how much time would elapse from both of them from firing to spidey's early system warning him and his body reacting?

Your thoughts are missing an obvious point: computer controlled laser turrets that fire at Spidey would take out the "human equation" as well. Spidey still senses those and dodges them as easily as he does people firing at him. There is no human element to his spidey-sense. Conscious human decision can trigger it, but it's not required to give Spiderman advance warning.

yes, i am aware spiderman reacts to laser turrets but he moves b4 it is fired basically he is already out of the way b4 the computer makes the aim and fires... the question is on equal footing from the get set, get ready, go!! who out reacts who? spider man sure as hell shouldnt.... but its comics...

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i guess the question is how much of an advantage does the spider sense give him talking about time from the warning and reaction?

lets play devil's advocate and guess the time frame of a neurons firing and Lightning traveling and hitting the spider..

to put this in perspective take out the human equation of a human opponent firing at the spider and instead put something or someone with lightning fast computing firing capabilities.. a mind whose synapses travel at the speed of lightning or near it maybe have SS be the one firing at spiderman.. SS mind operating at the speed of lightning and firing at the spider from his eyes.

how much time would elapse from both of them from firing to spidey's early system warning him and his body reacting?

the split-second solar temperatures and thunder should put spider-man on his ass by just missing him anyway.

Spiderman can web lightning up.

So it doesn't matter.

yeah spider should feel the heat in the surrounding area even when missing by a C#$t hair... in real life the distance the spider sometimes has between himself and lightning wouldnt help him.. lightning would and could jump a few feet from the distance between the two and still tag him.. and even if he avoids the lightning the ground would still be highly charged which means him landing on the ground should electrocute his @$$ anyways..

but to be honest Spiderman should have more then enough warning with a lighting strikes at times due to the atmospheric charge and static build up .. he wouldnt even need a spider sense half of the time to avoid and know he might get shocked.

^ EDIT: Than why were you even arguing lightning dodges through spidersense in the first place if you were satisfied with a perfectly plausible explanation already in hand? 😒

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
yes, i am aware spiderman reacts to laser turrets but he moves b4 it is fired basically he is already out of the way b4 the computer makes the aim and fires... the question is on equal footing from the get set, get ready, go!! who out reacts who? spider man sure as hell shouldnt.... but its comics...
And the times he's stepped in front of an aimed laser turret that fires upon an invisible beam being triggered that doesn't need to adjust it's aim? Spidey's dodged those too.

do you seriously want to argue this?

i know there are stuff that Spidey dodges regularly things that are beyond his reflex capabilities that is just comics.. logically and within powerset spider shouldnt be able to out react a laser already in travel.. i mean now we are stepping into some massive lvls of PIS poor science knowledge and complete disregard of powerset.

most of the time the guy who wants to fry him has their arm(s) stretched out at him, pretty much a warning in of itself (every spider i wanted to spray bolted once i lined their ass up with the raid can).

thor's or storm's ability to make a massive thunderstorm should either make his SS go nuts, or do nothing at all (as long as that's the case with a natural storm)

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
do you seriously want to argue this?

i know there are stuff that Spidey dodges regularly things that are beyond his reflex capabilities that is just comics.. logically and within powerset spider shouldnt be able to out react a laser already in travel.. i mean now we are stepping into some massive lvls of PIS poor science knowledge and complete disregard of powerset.

Argue what? You apparently had already conceded that his spider-sense can allow him forewarning to dodge lightning bolts via atmospheric disturbances which preface naturally occurring lightning bolts. So I don't know why you argued that his spider-sense would be useless against "Mother Nature" in the first place.

And I didn't argue that he can dodge lasers that are already in transit. I argued that a human element isn't required for him to dodge things. His spider-sense isn't limited to reacting to ill intent (i.e., telepathic), it's limited precog.

well then now that we got it out of the way.... if spider can dodge lightning no reason for QS not to do better if not the same..

^ Remind me when Quicksilver developed spider-sense??? dur

doesnt need it he has got higher perception reaction time when pis isnt a factor and is close enough to spider sense when combined to his incredible speed.

How is it close enough? Even taking that guy's 130000 mph number (and ignoring how lightning's depicted in comics, e.g., Flash comics), that's like 180x the speed of sound. Since when did amped Quicksilver run/react at those speeds?

quicksilver's mind runs faster also, his power of speed was always physical in the sense that his body was "designed" to be able to achieve all manners of high function (flexible tissues, strong bones, eyesight that functioned at high speeds and the brain to process what is in his path clearly, superhuman cardiovascular efficiency, etc).

during a psyche evaluation with doc samson he revealed that he was growing depressed living in a slow world, he was desperate for a way to escape the boredom.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
How is it close enough? Even taking that guy's 130000 mph number (and ignoring how lightning's depicted in comics, e.g., Flash comics), that's like 180x the speed of sound. Since when did amped Quicksilver run/react at those speeds?

when did the spider?

at least QS can be argued he is reacting to thor's attack and has actual superspeed....

Originally posted by psycho gundam
thor's or storm's ability to make a massive thunderstorm should either make his SS go nuts, or do nothing at all (as long as that's the case with a natural storm)
I think it would trigger it but not very high and as soon as a lightning fires into his direction it triggers a "high alert"
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/8159/spidersense11asmv1594.jpg
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/324/spidersense12asmv1594.jpg
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/1900/spidersense2asmv1594.jpg

extra note: It also works when he's drugged...
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4346/spidersensestillworkswh.jpg
...or under the influence of pheromones but I'm too lazy to search for that, I'm talking about the Daken fight.

depends on the drug

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
when did the spider?

at least QS can be argued he is reacting to thor's attack and has actual superspeed....

We just went over how Spiderman can dodge lightning, via spidersense, not actual superspeed.

I don't recall Quicksilver ever running/reacting at 180+ times the speed of sound unamped.

how much time passes from spiderman SS and reaction? 1 second, two seconds? a split second?

^ All of the above. Sometimes more.