Character Ownage

Originally posted by -Pr-
i never said beat, i said did well/had good performances, which he had.

you don't need to be a master to have a padawan, iirc. what other contradictions are you talking about, because for me ahsoka isn't one.

don't make it personal, dum dum.

and actually, no, the cgi series is a higher level of canon as the comics. this was stated in the canon guidelines.

where did lucas say she's not canon?

Yes you do. Thats why Obi was granted the position of master so he could train anakin. Master don't have to have a padawan, but a jedi does need to be a master to have a padawan.

I was not trying to, sorry if that is how it came off.

comic are below the cartoon mini series. And the cgi is only that level cannon if it does not dirrectly contradict lucas work which anakin padwan does.

when was it stated she was cannon?

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I not sure to be honest. That why i said pretty and instead of posotive. I see if I can find anything. I saw something while back with an interview with him, but I dont remember much about it.

No they havent at all. It straight up contradicts the movies. One of the main characters does not even exist in lucas world and is consider non cannon to his work. Only debatable things are the episodes about the other jedi and even then it doubtful.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Could you point to the actual contradictions?

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Yes he done well in fights, but he always gotten a hard fight from people. Even a weak grevious gave him a match though I say that likely Obi biggest stomp win. He was winning pretty handily in the straight up fight.

Yes you do. Thats why Obi was granted the position of master so he could train anakin. Master don't have to have a padawan, but a jedi does need to be a master to have a padawan.

I was not trying to, sorry if that is how it came off.

comic are below the cartoon mini series. And the cgi is only that level cannon if it does not dirrectly contradict lucas work which anakin padwan does.

when was it stated she was cannon?

obi fought grievious several times during the series, and did fine in most of them iirc.

no, obi-wan was granted the rank of jedi knight so that he could train anakin. he didn't become a master until later. you can't just jump from padawn to master. both masters and knights can have padawans.

i don't see how she contradicts anything. nobody said that anakin didn't have a padawan, iirc. if i'm wrong, then tell me where it was stated.

i never said she was canon. i said if you wanted to take her as being a canon character, you could. like people taking boba fett jumping out of the pit, or asajj ventress existing, or many other things that weren't strictly in the movies but don't contradict it.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I already have. He not the rank of master in the movies, it even a main plot line, that he not given the rank of master. However in the CGI is ranked master, and has a padawan something you can't do if your not a master.

Having a padawan does not give you the rank of Jedi Master. You can be a mentor (prefer the term) or master to a padawan, doesn't mean you have that rank, he was still a Jedi Knight.

By the way Jedi Knights can have Padawan's and a Jedi becomes a Master once they have successfully trained a padawan into a Jedi Knight.

At least I'm 90% sure that's how it goes.

Originally posted by -Pr-
obi fought grievious several times during the series, and did fine in most of them iirc.

no, obi-wan was granted the rank of jedi knight so that he could train anakin. he didn't become a master until later. you can't just jump from padawn to master.

i don't see how she contradicts anything. nobody said that anakin didn't have a padawan, iirc. if i'm wrong, then tell me where it was stated.

i never said she was canon. i said if you wanted to take her as being a canon character, you could. like people taking boba fett jumping out of the pit, or asajj ventress existing, or many other things that weren't strictly in the movies but don't contradict it.

He was ranked master. He called Master obi-wan several times. Yes you can and he was technically a jedi knight anyways if not mistaken. He was granted the rank of master.

that fact he a master in the CGI and not so in te MOVIES is a giant contradiction.

But she does contradict it and the entire production of the show was aimed at kids. It like trying to pass of Mavrel Advantures as 616 cannon.

Originally posted by Newjak
By the way Jedi Knights can have Padawan's and a Jedi becomes a Master once they have successfully trained a padawan into a Jedi Knight.

At least I'm 90% sure that's how it goes.

You're right, although I think they're some exceptions. C'baoth and Atris were masters before they ever trained Padawans.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
in what series? CGI which is likely not cannon........

He was ranked master. He called Master obi-wan several times. Yes you can and he was technically a jedi knight anyways if not mistaken. He was granted the rank of master.

that fact he a master in the CGI and not so in te MOVIES is a giant contradiction.

But she does contradict it and the entire production of the show was aimed at kids. It like trying to pass of Mavrel Advantures as 616 cannon.

it's a lower level of canon, yes.

he's called master obi-wan by people under him. he wasn't a master when he was given anakin to train. he was a padawan when maul killed qui gon. then he was promoted to knight, and given anakin. padawans just call their teachers master, regardless of rank.

obi-wan became a jedi master during the clone wars. this was pretty obvious in both the movies and the series. at no point was anakin a jedi master.

how does she contradict it? where is it stated in the movies that anakin never had a padawan?

To my knowledge the cgi show is liek right under the movies in canon and above the comics from what the producers have said. Is that Right?

Originally posted by jalek moye
To my knowledge the cgi show is liek right under the movies in canon and above the comics from what the producers have said. Is that Right?

yup, it's the level below movies.

I don't think this has been posted...

There are two worlds here," explained Lucas. "There’s my world, which is the movies, and there’s this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe – the licensing world of the books, games and comic books. They don’t intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, [but] they do intrude in between the movies. I don’t get too involved in the parallel universe.

"I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I don't know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world. But I do try to keep it consistent. The way I do it now is they have a Star Wars Encyclopedia. So if I come up with a name or something else, I look it up and see if it has already been used. When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions."

though this does not prove anything, I thought it was interesting and thought others might find it so. This is lucas thoughts.

Originally posted by inimalist

I don't think this has been posted...

Wow. I heard that Bones/Cap mini was gonna be great, but that is just awesome. Gonna love how Marvel shows there is no such thing as black and white, just different shades of gray.

It sucks Lucas isn't as fond of his universe, as the writers in the parallel universe are.

seriously, Boba Fett is a ****ing clone? an uninteresting clone, of some guy who is a rip off of the character?

Wasn't that qoute fro myears before the show came out? I mean it doesn't mention Tv shows, which to my knowledge have been added as the level between the two canons.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Wow. I heard that Bones/Cap mini was gonna be great, but that is just awesome. Gonna love how Marvel shows there is no such thing as black and white, just different shades of gray.

very good read

and ya, really true, does play on the "who are the good guys" thing, or, at least crossbones comes off looking more like an anti-villain

Originally posted by jalek moye