Iceman vs. ? - who can take him

Originally posted by Melnorme
Right, I understand he doesn't need physical contact...but that doesn't necessarily mean that there aren't some tiny particles or some form of energy that Iceman is projecting in order to do what he does. These may in fact be invisible, so there's no way of telling. Still, if that is how his power works, and there is a field that prevents anything from going through it, it would stand to reason that she can contain Iceman. Which really should count as a win, but in case it doesn't...all she needs to do is create a smaller forcefield inside the larger one, and then gradually make both forcefields the same size. 😈

yeah this is true cryokenesis is like telekenesis you dont need any contact just concentration. once a telekenetic has focused on an atom s/he can move it, once a cyrokenetic focuses on an atom s/he can drain its KE - no contact just needs to see it and concentrate on it - thats how iceman can cool all his surroundings at once easily.

This site is usually quite helpful. i think cyrokenesis is half way down im not sure if it explains it that well u cud also chek out shielding for IW see if it can help u. http://p089.ezboard.com/fnewevolution40661frm12.showMessage?topicID=33.topic

But I still think Xavier has the best chance

Originally posted by phase
yeah this is true cryokenesis is like telekenesis you dont need any contact just concentration. once a telekenetic has focused on an atom s/he can move it, once a cyrokenetic focuses on an atom s/he can drain its KE - no contact just needs to see it and concentrate on it - thats how iceman can cool all his surroundings at once easily.

This site is usually quite helpful. i think cyrokenesis is half way down im not sure if it explains it that well u cud also chek out shielding for IW see if it can help u. http://p089.ezboard.com/fnewevolution40661frm12.showMessage?topicID=33.topic

But I still think Xavier has the best chance

That is an interesting link...but using that link's definition of "Shielding: Telekinetic" and your likening of Cryokinesis to Telekinesis, doesn't it stand to reason that IW's shield might be able to block his ice powers just as she can block a telekinetic's abilities?

And Xavier easily has the best chance. I think IW might not be out of the game, is all.

But she can't i cant remember exactly but one telekenetic threw her around inside her own forcefield! U got 2 remember that IW forcefield is special it is formed by bending light, making it an extremely strong forcefield against physical matter -the best- but it has no effect on telekenesis telepathy empathy and so im geussing cryokenesis.

Originally posted by phase
But she can't i cant remember exactly but one telekenetic threw her around inside her own forcefield!

Originally posted by phase
😆 yeah like that's gonna help him against Iceman!

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
According to the wolverine supporters it will. 🙁

WELL I DONT CARE! wat a surprise! 😉

Could Johnny take him down if he went Nova? I refuse to believe the FF would lose to Iceman alone 😛

This has been done b4, they sed Iceman would drain HT's KE b4 he manges to get to supernova and so Iceman won there.

But I think if all 4 went at once i think they cud take him down.......kinda going off the thread tho! 😮

Yea, i think Torch takes some time to go nova. Iceman would definately beat him.

He and Iceman fough way back in the day. Iceman pretty much countered everything he did. It came down to h2h combat, which got interrupted.

Now, theres no doubts of who would win between the two.

ok who was it that said that iceman cant turn into water vapor? he does that by mouisture inversion...he did that in X-men Forever, he can basically teleport, same way he can turn into water, or completely ice...and wolvie888 he could turn to fully ice before he had the second mutation...just clearing that stuff up....iceman by himself could take the FF in my opinion unless they distracted him long enough to let Torch us nova...and even then its debatable since we have no idea how fast iceman can "teleport" his vapor to other places....

Which issue of X-Men forever did he do that Blair?

damn....wait let me go get the pics...xmarksthespot had them up before on the iceman vs wolvie thread....

here it is, first one shows iceman just being blasted by sentinals and they thought he was dead...then he takes mouisture and reforms

then he talks to juggy and does mouisture inversion to "teleport" away

AND just to hear him talk about it, here he is in AoA saying something about it...
this is what UXN says about him:
In the Age of Apocalypse, it was not Xavier but Magneto who founded and trained the X-Men, Bobby being among the first mutants he located. Magneto pushed the boy much harder than Xavier would have, making the youngster drop his humorous attitude and tap into his full potential. Iceman could alter his shape while in his frozen form, and merge with any body of water, moisture or ice, and re-emerge from it at some other points even miles away, within the matter of seconds. When Bobby’s ice-form was damaged or shattered, he could easily pull himself back together. On top of that, he was able to take people along by a process referred to as moisture molecular inversion, but it was rather unpleasant for the passenger.

but now Iceman has become more powerful than even his AoA counterpart

and the pic for it (wont let me put it on imageshack so here it is🙂

I said he doesn't turn into vapor! unless his body is destroyed, and your scans proove that. It's his default state.

Sweet. 🤘

Originally posted by LordKaos
I said he doesn't turn into vapor! unless his body is destroyed, and your scans proove that. It's his default state.

in AoA he did it on his own....and in X-men forever Mystique even calls him an idiot because he still uses ice slides now that he can "teleport"

and in a future x-men series (a what if)

iceman goes insane and turns to water vapor waiting for the X-men coming for him...he then proceeds to kill them with ice spicks coming from no where and they all die....

Iceman can teleport, its not just his default state

What Ifs and alternate realities don't count in the versus forum, but if it' any consolation I never doubted Iceman in the first place.

I know just showing his potential...its also been said that he is now more powerful than AoA, so if he could do it there, Ima assume he can do it now, especially since he has shown the ability to turn into water (vs the monks in the Xorn Arch) and those pics prove he can exist as water vapor

I know he can exist as vapor, but he has never just turned into vapor it usually happens because his ice form was destroyed. All I know is at the end of the day he beats the crap out the majority of them.

lol true...but I still think since according to well...everything he has shown, he can turn and teleport from AoA and he is said to be more powerful "here" in current timeline, and has shown the ability to transfigure his body type from human, to ice, to water, that he can turn it to vapor without having to be destroyed...I think its more a case of iceman is stupid sometimes with his powers....but he still can...