Darth Vader (read my post first) vs. Darth Bane

I never said Kun could vaporize coruscant (I highly doubt he even has the ability to do so), Why would Sadow bother with blowing up the sun, they don't just randomly do things for the sake of it. And Revan is powerful, but not THAT powerful, he would get pwned by the whole council. They had NO REASON to do any of that.

You said that Sidious "Sucks the life from six billion people on Byss through the Dark Side and destroys a fleet with no enhancements. And when he visits Korriban to get info on how to extend his life?"
My point is that he wanted to destroy the Jedi, he wanted to create a new empire, and he wanted to rule the galaxy, but he had to remove Yoda, Mace, and the whole jedi council. Using powers like the ones mentioned above could easily do the job, why didn't he use any of it?

Because if he did, he'd reveal himself, the entirety of the Jedi Order would converge on him with a vengeance as well as the entire galactic forces?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
here we go....is Exar Kun was so fricking powerful, why didn't he vaporize Coruscant? If Sadow was so powerful, why didn't he blow up Teta's sun? If Revan was so powerful, why didn't he kill the council all by himself?

Because they were trying to conquer, not destroy. When it wouldn't destroy anything they wanted for themselves, they used incredible powers, powers that are beyond even Sidious using a force storm to destroy capital ships. BTW, Revan wasn't so powerful that he could do all of those things. DE Sidious could take Revan(but OT and PT Sidious would lose to him.). There were plenty of times when destroying things wouldn't destroy things Sidious wanted, but he still did use incredible powers.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Just because he didn't do it doesn't mean he couldn't. That simple.

Do you understand how ridiculos this argument is? Let me put it simply.

Just becuase I haven't traveled back in time to kill Hitler before WW@ doesn't mean I can't.

You have to prove that someone can do something at that time before anyone will believe you. Logic amd reason generally assume a negative.

Because if he did, he'd reveal himself, the entirety of the Jedi Order would converge on him with a vengeance as well as the entire galactic forces?

The Entire Jedi Order was dispersed all over the place! And if clonetroopers were enough to raid the Jedi Temple then I'm sure uber powerful Sidious could have easily done it as well...

1. Would you POINT OUT what these INCREDIBLE POWERS actually WERE?! I've shot down every last one of them and false comments on Sidious's enhancements won't work. Point out your little golden boy Revan's powers, because I am SICK AND TIRED of people saying how godly and awesome these are when I keep shooting it down. By the OT and PT Sidious is already a damn master and I've pointed out some of the feats he does there already! Hmmm, maybe if you want to compare a hypoethically weaker Sidious, why don't we throw him against a padawan Revan! Afterall, Revan should be so godly there already!

2. If you travel back in time at a later date, then we all know you could have all along, so moot point. And since Sidious DID do it...

Yeah, there's a little thing called 'numbers'...and making a force storm in your general vicinity is what we call 'suicide'.

Learn what you're talking about, then come back. Yoda and Obi-wan together would have been able to kill Sidious, as Yoda was a freaking powerhouse.

I'm sick and tired of people riding on the Ancient Sith's backs. Point out what their powers are, WITH NO TECHNOLOGY OR ENHANCEMENTS. Beyond a shadow of a doubt, because you have their creator against you here and until you prove how godly they were besides a quote from a liar and an ego trip gameplay mechanic, it's yet to be valid at all

Originally posted by Lightsnake
1. Would you POINT OUT what these INCREDIBLE POWERS actually WERE?! I've shot down every last one of them and false comments on Sidious's enhancements won't work. Point out your little golden boy Revan's powers, because I am SICK AND TIRED of people saying how godly and awesome these are when I keep shooting it down. By the OT and PT Sidious is already a damn master and I've pointed out some of the feats he does there already! Hmmm, maybe if you want to compare a hypoethically weaker Sidious, why don't we throw him against a padawan Revan! Afterall, Revan should be so godly there already!

2. If you travel back in time at a later date, then we all know you could have all along, so moot point. And since Sidious DID do it...

Freezing the senate? About a million people?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Yeah, there's a little thing called 'numbers'...and making a force storm in your general vicinity is what we call 'suicide'.

Learn what you're talking about, then come back. Yoda and Obi-wan together would have been able to kill Sidious, as Yoda was a freaking powerhouse.

I'm sick and tired of people riding on the Ancient Sith's backs. Point out what their powers are, WITH NO TECHNOLOGY OR ENHANCEMENTS. Beyond a shadow of a doubt, because you have their creator against you here and until you prove how godly they were besides a quote from a liar and an ego trip gameplay mechanic, it's yet to be valid at all

It's not like they are going to be fighting without their technology. They keep it with them at all times.

They blew up stars. You haven't proved that it was the ship, nor have you shown that it was the ship that did it. They destroyed lightsaber proof materials with their bare hands. They projected images into thousands of minds at one time.

If Yoda and Obi-wan together would have been able to kill Sidious, why did they not do so?

Who is this liar who is quoting the Ancient Sith's power?

A thousand at best. Notice this was done in conjunction with the Sith gauntlets so he was amplified heavily. Nothing impressive there, especially as it only lasted a few moments and didn't affect the Jedi.
And since Kun was an inept screwup, feats of power from him don't make up nearly for his idiocy

Yeah, sadly without that technology they're just not too powerful. I'm sure Grand Moff Tarkin could beat Han Solo in a bare knuckle brawl...

Fine, want a quote? "It was this craft that allowed Sadow to destroy the Denarii." Here's another thing? Aleema herself says it was the craft when she uses it to do the same thing on a greater scale! Either she's stronger than Sadow or it was the ship.

Because there's this other guy named 'Darth Vader' who needs killing and it was logical to send Obi-wan after him. If Sidious were to die, Anakin would assume control and be untouchable. Yoda was hoping to get it over with and hoped he'd be enough for Sidious.

And this liar's name is Kreia. And without her quote, noone would be shrieking about how the Ancient Sith totally own the new

Originally posted by Lightsnake
A thousand at best. Notice this was done in conjunction with the Sith gauntlets so he was amplified heavily. Nothing impressive there, especially as it only lasted a few moments and didn't affect the Jedi.
And since Kun was an inept screwup, feats of power from him don't make up nearly for his idiocy

Where is your proof that the gauntlets made him more powerful, or that he would ever fight without them? By your logic, no kill counts, because Jedi always do it with a lightsaber. Without it, they wouldn't be very good, yet Ancient Sith kept their technology with them as much as any PT Jedi or Sith keeps their lightsaber with them.

Also note that he froze several million because there is at least one from every planet, and the Republic had several million planets at that time.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Yeah, sadly without that technology they're just not too powerful. I'm sure Grand Moff Tarkin could beat Han Solo in a bare knuckle brawl...

Palpatine sucks without his lightsaber. See! I can do it too! Lightsabers are technology too.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Fine, want a quote? "It was this craft that allowed Sadow to destroy the Denarii." Here's another thing? Aleema herself says it was the craft when she uses it to do the same thing on a greater scale! Either she's stronger than Sadow or it was the ship.

Doesn't make any sense though. Technically, which is more canon then a quote, the ship couldn't have done anything other then focus the energy Sadow provided, because no ship before the ISD(5000 years later) was able to generate even a 30th of the power necessary to do what Sadow did.

Who's to say Aleema isn't strong? She did plenty of things that show she is powerful, yet you still assume she is weak?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Because there's this other guy named 'Darth Vader' who needs killing and it was logical to send Obi-wan after him. If Sidious were to die, Anakin would assume control and be untouchable. Yoda was hoping to get it over with and hoped he'd be enough for Sidious.

No, because at this point Anakin is a lot weaker then Yoda, it even says so. It would take years before Anakin would be able to defeat Yoda.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
And this liar's name is Kreia. And without her quote, noone would be shrieking about how the Ancient Sith totally own the new

Yes, we would. There is the narrator in TOTJ, and pure and simple logic.

Why, only that he sucked horribly until he put them on and Nadd said they'd amplify his power to a great degree? If the Jedi injected themself with a massive stimulant, that argument'd hold weight. And that technology does nothing but hold them back powerwise

Also note the Republic was much smaller at that time and it was stated to be 'thousands'....for what, a few moments before everyone was moving again?

1. Except Palpatine's pwoers are done without his saber.

2. You mean the ship couldn't launch a bolt of electricity into the star, causing a chain reaction to blow it up? Learn something new everyday. Especially as we see it do just that.

3. Yes, Aleema did so much....her running and hiding when three Jedi appeared was so bold. All she ever did was use a ship and cast illusions with Satal.

4. And the narrarator of TOTJ never says a thing about power. He just says what's going on in the story. And that narrarator-KJA apparently says those Sith're weaker. So...

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Why, only that he sucked horribly until he put them on and Nadd said they'd amplify his power to a great degree? If the Jedi injected themself with a massive stimulant, that argument'd hold weight. And that technology does nothing but hold them back powerwise

Also note the Republic was much smaller at that time and it was stated to be 'thousands'....for what, a few moments before everyone was moving again?

Nope, the Republic still numered in the millions as it had for thousands of years as the Expansion Era had already passed.

Yes, a Jedi injected with stims would hold weight.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
1. Except Palpatine's pwoers are done without his saber.

So are Sadows and Kressh's, at least to the point where it doesn't matter because they ALWAYS have that power. The technology is ALWAYS with them.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
2. You mean the ship couldn't launch a bolt of electricity into the star, causing a chain reaction to blow it up? Learn something new everyday. Especially as we see it do just that.

We actually don't. aawe see a very powerful force user blow up a star, as the ship isn't powerful enough to do that.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
3. Yes, Aleema did so much....her running and hiding when three Jedi appeared was so bold. All she ever did was use a ship and cast illusions with Satal.

Perhaps actual fighting was her strong point, but destroying stars is. Every dog has it's day, as does every force user.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
4. And the narrarator of TOTJ never says a thing about power. He just says what's going on in the story. And that narrarator-KJA apparently says those Sith're weaker. So...

Where is this proof that KJA says they are weaker?

He says that the Sith were the Sith. That, amoung other things, implies that they were the best.

Ragnos was a god in a race of gods.

KJA is implying that the Sith Race were veritable Gods.

1. So, Tarkin must have been stronger than both of them...and no, the tech isn't always with them. It's a ship powered by the force, that's all. It means nothing on power.

2. Actually, we see the ship fire into the star which causes a chain reaction and then explodes. And according to wiki cities, it's an electrical weapon that does it. And to the SW encyclopedia

3. You mean Aleema screaming and begging Nomi not to hurt her? If she can destroy a star, she can kill a Jedi. My mistake: If she can use a ship to destroy a star, she can kill a Jedi.

4. First you say it's ok if I can't get the quoptes because it's been years on TFN? And he says the Sith were the Sith....of course the Sith are the Sith, so?

Pitiful gods who did nothing and lost a war in a day. Stop riding Kreia's back.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Pitiful gods who did nothing and lost a war in a day. Stop riding Kreia's back.

Erm, how is Kreia's quote invalid? She has no reason to lie and the developers obviously didn't put her in the game as a false source of information.