Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Although Qui-gon was infact in his prime in TPM, Kit still wins. Council#13, Jedi don't decrease in power as the age.
The Novels are non-canon. If so, Luke Skywalker certainly hasn't gotten any weaker in his old age, nor did Mace(he was 53 in ROTS). Corran, who is 55 or so in DN also hasn't gotten any weaker. It doesn't make any sense that Qui-gon is the only person that got weaker with age(he was still training and such. If he hadn't done anything in a decade perhaps he would have gotten weaker, but not because of age but do to lack of practice).
Kit beats Obi-Wan in a sparring session but he's not much stronger. This is Obi-Wan 12 months after Geonosis. This isn't Kit then but in ROTS, where he proved himself weaker than Qui-Gon by being humialated by Sidious.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
That was a crappy fight and not a viable indicator of Kit's actual fighting ability. Any proof that Fisto is weaker than Maul seeing as Fisto defeated Obi-wan?
WTF? Kit never defeated Obi-Wan. He never even dueled him in TCD.
And btw, in reference to Se7in's post, Obi-Wan wasn't even close to a Soresu master as of Cestus Deception. It's barely a year into the war.
Which was do to bad choreograpy. Is ANH Obi-wan weaker than AOTC Anakin since he fought more weakly? No, he isn't.
No, he was past his prime. It says so in the TPM novel. AndJedi don't get stronger when they get older. Yoda didn't, Obi-Wan didn't, Qui-Gon didn't. Just because Dooku did doesn't mean it's normal.
The TPM novels isn't canon. None of the ones except the ones written by GL are(actually none of them were physically written by him. He had others 'ghost write' the books but they are still technically by him.). There is no proof for Yoda's former level of power, so you can't use that. Obi-wan also probably gained power between ROTS and ANH as he kept studying the force.
You get weaker when you get get alot older. Yoda did. Obi-Wan did. Mace wasn't that old. But when you get older you tire out easier. Your speed decreases. Therefor you are weaker.
The Jedi have the force to help them and their mastery over that increases more quickly than their bodies decline. You have no proof that either Obi-wan or Yoda decreased in power.
Kit beats Obi-Wan in a sparring session but he's not much stronger. This is Obi-Wan 12 months after Geonosis. This isn't Kit then but in ROTS, where he proved himself weaker than Qui-Gon by being humialated by Sidious.
Look at how badly Qui-gon went down though. Maul wasn't nearly as powerful as Sidious and even with the help of Obi-wan he lost.
Originally posted by Darth Faunus
WTF? Kit never defeated Obi-Wan. He never even dueled him in TCD.And btw, in reference to Se7in's post, Obi-Wan wasn't even close to a Soresu master as of Cestus Deception. It's barely a year into the war.
When exactly would Obi-wan have had time to train after that?
They dueled in the ship on the way to that planet they were going to, unless I am horribly mistaken.
The TPM novels isn't canon. None of the ones except the ones written by GL are(actually none of them were physically written by him. He had others 'ghost write' the books but they are still technically by him.). There is no proof for Yoda's former level of power, so you can't use that. Obi-wan also probably gained power between ROTS and ANH as he kept studying the force.
The Jedi have the force to help them and their mastery over that increases more quickly than their bodies decline. You have no proof that either Obi-wan or Yoda decreased in power.
Look at how badly Qui-gon went down though. Maul wasn't nearly as powerful as Sidious and even with the help of Obi-wan he lost.
Originally posted by Captain REX
You don't get stronger as you get older or decrease as you get older. It all has to do with potential and training and the individual and blah blah blah.
What are you talking about. From a young age as you grow older your body develops and as a result you get stronger. And once you reach old age your body starts to decline and so you get weaker.