Echuu-Shen Jon vs. Shaak Ti

Who would win between Echuu-Shen Jon and Shaak Ti?
The setting is the Jedi Temple.

Echuu-Shen Jon was a brilliant swordsman, trained by Master Windu himself. Shaak Ti is quite adept herself, but I think Master Jon would be more skilled than her. Though, she does sit on the Council...

Despite the fact that Shaak Ti is good, Jon would kill her. Jon after all survived Order 66, and he killed Sevrance'Tann.

Echuu-Shen Jon was not present for Order 66. He imposed himself into isolation on the planet that he kill Tann on, and was not heard from again until the Rebellion stumbled across him.

He died like a pimp though.

Is that a good thing or bad thing? 😛

He fought Vader and prevented the Empire from getting some Jedi artifact, I'd say that's a pretty cool way to go out.

I would say Echuu Shen Jon cause he survived the Purge

Whilst Echuu is good, he was beat by the mechanical Vader, which kind of leaves his combat abilities in doubt.

Oh yeah forgot about that

That was after around 20 years of no traning, if this is the younger version of Jon I belive he will take her down.

Also, read "The Rise of Darth Vader", he is no slouch in combat really.

Originally posted by Darth Traya
Whilst Echuu is good, he was beat by the mechanical Vader, which kind of leaves his combat abilities in doubt.

Mechanical Vader is really good. He is completely underestimated.

Originally posted by kingkman
Mechanical Vader is really good. He is completely underestimated.

No, the mechanical Vader is a travesty of a Sith Lord. He's a cripple and he's crap.

Originally posted by Council#13
I would say Echuu Shen Jon cause he survived the Purge

Originally posted by Darth Traya
No, the mechanical Vader is a travesty of a Sith Lord. He's a cripple and he's crap.

Why not? Lucas says so himself. Vader is horrifically crippled after his beating on Mustafar. He is worse than ROTS Anakin Skywalker. His force abilities are somewhat crippled considering the amount of flesh (and therefore midichlorians) that he lost.

Deal with it, man. Vader is fairly weak.

Grievous was cripple too, but I haven't seen Shaak Ti defeat him without any effort. I think Vaders suit is better than Grievous his one, because the new technologies and because Vader was a Dark Lord and had to get a very good suit. (of course Sidious wanted the best for his apprentice) Plus the fact Vader can use the force.
He would destroy Shaak Ti just like Echuu.

Yeah, I think it's obvious that Vaders suit strengthened him to a very high degree thus allowing him to fight off opponents much more effectively. Of course he's crippled but it's science fiction, his suit actually gave him at least some advantages..

And no Traya, I won't deal with this dumb general assumption of that he's weak as I don't accept prejudice. I will change my mind with proper arguments though.

Originally posted by overlord
Yes, C3PO survived it too.. Yes, that is the general opinion around this forum, still isn't very convincing though.

There is a big difference.

1. C-3PO wasent a target of the Empire, they didn't care a crap about him.
2. He wasent alone, surviving, he had alot of help and was around people all the time.

Still I agree with your point, surviving the purge is really nothing to go on here, it doesent exactly indicate uber power.

Originally posted by overlord
Yeah, I think it's obvious that Vaders suit strengthened him to a very high degree thus allowing him to fight off opponents much more effectively. Of course he's crippled but it's science fiction, his suit actually gave him at least some advantages..

And no Traya, I won't deal with this dumb general assumption of that he's weak as I don't accept prejudice. I will change my mind with proper arguments though.

Physical strength? Yes. Lightsabre wise? No.

Read "Dark Lord-The Rise of Darth Vader", Vader can barely lift his hands above his shoulders. Secondly, Vader is fairly weighed down by his suit.

Lightsaber wise, Vader would still be better than ROTS Anakin.
OT Vader completed the training of Sidious and he perfected his lightsaber fighting style and became a master duellist, ROTS Anakin would never be able to defeat himself with so much more experience.

Of course there are major dissadvantages for wearing such a suit because otherwise everybody in the empire would get one but Vader (although with less force potential) overcame them and became a masterduellist in his own right. ROTS Vader was far from it, he couldn't even keep a cool head in battles.

Originally posted by overlord
Lightsaber wise, Vader would still be better than ROTS Anakin.
OT Vader completed the training of Sidious and he perfected his lightsaber fighting style and became a master duellist, ROTS Anakin would never be able to defeat himself with so much more experience.

Of course there are major dissadvantages for wearing such a suit because otherwise everybody in the empire would get one but Vader (although with less force potential) overcame them and became a masterduellist in his own right. ROTS Vader was far from it, he couldn't even keep a cool head in battles.

Master duelist? Stop spouting crap, Lucas said himself that the OT Vader is weaker than ROTS Vader.