Originally posted by DarthMaul9123Makashi doesn't tire the practicioner out, it's an effective style of dueling to kill with short well placed strikes wich can be kept up for a far longer while than other styles of dueling.
irrellevent hardly, old people tire faster and younger people have frequent addrenaline rushes. its in science, also whose to say mace could even last the begining whose to say that they dont team up on him, or on dooks
Yoda does get pretty tired during his fights but his stood up to whom is apparently the most powerful Sith EVER in the Star Wars series (Arguably, of course.) but two MASTER Duelists teaming up on Yoda? It is ridiculous to think he would win. And then it would be down to Darth Tyranus versus Mace Windu. I think Tyranus would come out on top. He defeated Mace Windu once, but Mace has grown experience since then. So has Dooku as well. But Dooku has also been practicing and has apparently completely mastered a Dueling form that is purposely concentrative on 1VS1 Lightsaber Dueling.
Master Windu created a Lightsaber Form (With Help) and wasn't even using the Form during TPM and most likely started it during a little bit before AOTC began. Although it is a customized form, it hasn't had the time to develop and Makashi was said to have been used by Ancient Sith.
Not to mention Dooku has at least thirty years more experience than the Jedi Master. Of course the Duel would be long and vigorous, but I see the Old Man winning.
Yoda tiring out cannot be a determiner in this argument simply because there are too many variables included in it. He may have just been breathing for dramatic effect, who knows?
I can imagine Yoda going rather mad and flipping out on both Mace and Dooku at the same time, with both other Masters spending there time parrying before Yoda manages to cut through one of there defences.
In any given fight I believe Mace would beat Dooku, yes Dooku has beaten him before, but Mace has progressed very, very far since that time. Even more so than Dooku.
Originally posted by kamikz
How can you be sure?Dooku has a better lightsaber style against lightsabers.
He has shown better use of the force.
He has become a sith and learned to use the dark side.
He has 30 years on Mace.I think Dooku has gained at least equal amount of experience and progress and might as well win.
I have little proof apart from assumptions from various sources, to numerous to note.
The way the narrative is set up shows Yoda and Sidious as equals and , in my interpretation, Dooku and Mace as equals. Now of course, there are variables, some would say Sidious beat Yoda quite well, but from a narrative point of view the main protagonist is Yoda, the main antagonist is Sidious, while lower down, Mace is the protagonist equal to Dooku (Anakin and Obi-Wan are excluded from this).
True, Dooku has learnt of the dark side, yet with Vapaad Mace may be able to use it against him, and lets not forget Mace is equally schooled in the light side of the force.
Now looking back on Dooku 30 yeaars ago, he would not be in the league of Mace. Mace has equalled or bettered Dooku with half the time. Mace literally has all the villains run from him (Grievous, Ventress etc.).
Now remember, these are not solid points, just my thoughts so its all hyperthetical.
Now Mace is able to overcome Sidious, yes Sids may well have thrown the fight, but Mace can still be rated as a duelist equal or higher than Anakin (who if you watched the dreadful RotS movie, you'd see owned Dooku quite well).
Yes, Makashi is a form that specialises in saber vs. saber combat, yet Vapaad is a form that can direct the anger back at the opponent, so yet again they are similarily matched.
Originally posted by Darth Faunus
If you tell us what an 'arce' is, we'll try.If you mean race; it's an unknown, and will hopefully be left that way.
LMAO!!!!
Anyway about Exandas point.
Dooku faked against Anakin, he did not get owned.
So Dooku has the darke side which boosts his abilities and allows him to use offensive force powers so Dooku has the edge there.
So they are about equally matched in lightsabers, still Dooku has shown the abilitie of using the force at the same time he fights, very effectivley too.
Didn't he create Vaapad when he was 13??? Then he probably knew it when Dooku bested him before, and even though Mace might have become better at Vaapad, Dooku has mastered Makashi to the highest degree.
I think Dooku takes it because of superior force use and by a tiny margin saber use.
Damnit that they closed the Terradactyl thread, I love those.
As I have said before, I have no solid points from these it's simply from my own interpretation of source material.
Dooku faked against Anakin, he did not get owned.
Now this point has been argued many times. It is possible that early on Dooku threw the fight to Anakin, he threw away Obi-Wan like a ragdoll yet simply allowed Anakin the opportunity to test his strength. However, as Sidious probably hoped, Anakin's little dip into the dark side, born out of desperation and rashness, seemed to get the chop on Dooku. So whether Dooku began the fight 'faking' against Anakin, or began it earnestly, he still ended up getting owned in the end.
So Dooku has the darke side which boosts his abilities and allows him to use offensive force powers so Dooku has the edge there.
But these offensive powers, a grand total of one (being Force Lightning), which he uses in duels are actually quite easily deflected. An AotC Obi-Wan managed to hold it back, are you suggesting a much more powerful Mace could not? And lets not forget, Mace has gained the ability to use dark side energy against his opponent.
So they are about equally matched in lightsabers, still Dooku has shown the abilitie of using the force at the same time he fights, very effectivley too.
And Mace does not fight effectively? Dooku only uses those powers in a duel when he needs to create a diversion to escape or on a much weaker opponent.
Didn't he create Vaapad when he was 13??? Then he probably knew it when Dooku bested him before, and even though Mace might have become better at Vaapad, Dooku has mastered Makashi to the highest degree.
It does not matter when Vapaad was created. Mace would surely have become much stronger in the force since from the time when he would have duelled Dooku. If they duelled before Dooku left the order about the time of TPM, then Mace would have been in his thirties, quite a young age for a powerful Jedi master. In the intervening years between TPM and RotS, Mace would surely have become wiser, stronger and more proficient with a lightsaber, advancing faster than Dooku ever had. Yet this small point does not actually matter in a 3 way fight.
I think Dooku takes it because of superior force use and by a tiny margin saber use.
The dark side isn't stronger. It's only one side of the spectrum. And by no means his force use is superior, maybe more evident and explicit, but Mace has many force powers that allow him to do many more things.
Yet lets not forget, this is the versus forum and the only things that really counts is opinion.
Originally posted by exanda kane
As I have said before, I have no solid points from these it's simply from my own interpretation of source material.[B]Dooku faked against Anakin, he did not get owned.
Now this point has been argued many times. It is possible that early on Dooku threw the fight to Anakin, he threw away Obi-Wan like a ragdoll yet simply allowed Anakin the opportunity to test his strength. However, as Sidious probably hoped, Anakin's little dip into the dark side, born out of desperation and rashness, seemed to get the chop on Dooku. So whether Dooku began the fight 'faking' against Anakin, or began it earnestly, he still ended up getting owned in the end.
So Dooku has the darke side which boosts his abilities and allows him to use offensive force powers so Dooku has the edge there.
But these offensive powers, a grand total of one (being Force Lightning), which he uses in duels are actually quite easily deflected. An AotC Obi-Wan managed to hold it back, are you suggesting a much more powerful Mace could not? And lets not forget, Mace has gained the ability to use dark side energy against his opponent.
So they are about equally matched in lightsabers, still Dooku has shown the abilitie of using the force at the same time he fights, very effectivley too.
And Mace does not fight effectively? Dooku only uses those powers in a duel when he needs to create a diversion to escape or on a much weaker opponent.
Didn't he create Vaapad when he was 13??? Then he probably knew it when Dooku bested him before, and even though Mace might have become better at Vaapad, Dooku has mastered Makashi to the highest degree.
It does not matter when Vapaad was created. Mace would surely have become much stronger in the force since from the time when he would have duelled Dooku. If they duelled before Dooku left the order about the time of TPM, then Mace would have been in his thirties, quite a young age for a powerful Jedi master. In the intervening years between TPM and RotS, Mace would surely have become wiser, stronger and more proficient with a lightsaber, advancing faster than Dooku ever had. Yet this small point does not actually matter in a 3 way fight.
I think Dooku takes it because of superior force use and by a tiny margin saber use.
The dark side isn't stronger. It's only one side of the spectrum. And by no means his force use is superior, maybe more evident and explicit, but Mace has many force powers that allow him to do many more things.
Yet lets not forget, this is the versus forum and the only things that really counts is opinion. [/B]
Dooku fully intended to fake the match, at no point did Anakin really hold the upper hand, apart from the sabre-lock where he choppes off Dooku's hands.
Mace Windu and Yoda are restricted by their devotion to the Jedi Code. They cannot use inherently aggressive powers, and things like force push won't work on Tyranus. Tyranus can use offensive powers and overly aggressive hatred.
Originally posted by ssj3gohan007
I think Yoda has the best chance of winning
It really depends. Yoda is the most powerful person in this combat both in terms of force and lightsabre combat.
It depends on whether or not Windu and Tyranus will gang up on Yoda or if anyone gangs up on anyone really, which is why I hate three ways on principle.
Yoda might be the best here, but he was panting after half a minute of fighting with Dooku. Yoda cannot afford to get into any prolonged fights and will have to severly exert himself to kill either one of them quickly.
Then the other can take advantage of Yoda and kill him.
I say the count has the most chance of winning.
Originally posted by Darth Traya
Dooku fully intended to fake the match, at no point did Anakin really hold the upper hand, apart from the sabre-lock where he choppes off Dooku's hands.Mace Windu and Yoda are restricted by their devotion to the Jedi Code. They cannot use inherently aggressive powers, and things like force push won't work on Tyranus. Tyranus can use offensive powers and overly aggressive hatred.
He intended to lose the fight at the beginning. Would Dooku really be foolish enough to believe Palpatine, when he asks him to fake the fight, is only testing Anakin's ability? Of course not. I believe Dooku knew why Sidious asked him to throw the fight, yet as an obediant apprentice, he threw the fight at the beginning.
I said that Mace and Yoda would use powerful powers, not agressive and explicit like force lightning, but powerful light side powers that would boost there abilities.