Originally posted by King_MungiElixir has the POTENTIAL to manipulate organic matter and bioenergies at will to ANY degree he can imagine. Healing other people is only the most simple expression of that potential, just like juggling some balls telekinetically was for the early Jean.
I've only seen him heal, what else can he do?
Originally posted by xmarksthespotIt certainly does!
Mr M and Franklin Richards have been called Omega level mutants in 198 Files. Don't know if that confirms him as one.
TO THE TOPIC:
I think, that we actually don't know enough about the ultimate abilities of Iceman, Elixir and Kid Omega at their full potential (though Quentin had some impressive feats during Endsong) to predict the outcome of this fight
Originally posted by eternitygoddess
^Kid Omega is an omega-level telepath. Phoenix is Jean Grey at her full potential.
Phoenix is not Jean Grey at full potential.
a) Jean Grey, at full potential, is an extremely powerful mutant with great power and control over telepathy and telekinesis.
b) The Phoenix is Jean Grey with the Phoenix Force manifesting through her.
There is a HUGE difference between the two.
Huge.
In the former you have a mutant telepath/kinetic .......in the latter you have an inter-galactic entity that is literally one of the most powerful forces in the MU.
BIG difference.
Jean Grey is not good enough to be here.
And the Phoenix is too powerful to be here, and doesn't fall under 'mutant' anyways.
Originally posted by spetznaz1) Jean is one of the few official omega mutants, so she does have the right to be here!!!
Phoenix is not Jean Grey at full potential.a) Jean Grey, at full potential, is an extremely powerful mutant with great power and control over telepathy and telekinesis.
b) The Phoenix is Jean Grey with the Phoenix Force manifesting through her.There is a HUGE difference between the two.
Huge.
In the former you have a mutant telepath/kinetic .......in the latter you have an inter-galactic entity that is literally one of the most powerful forces in the MU.BIG difference.
Jean Grey is not good enough to be here.
And the Phoenix is too powerful to be here, and doesn't fall under 'mutant' anyways.
2) The ultimate expression of her mutation is the ability to access the Phoenixforce - fact!
3) Jean IS IN DEED the Phoenix! The Phoenix is an avatar of the Phoenixforce, not the Phoenixforce itself, though he/she can become one with it to fully use it.
For what its worth here is a good list of who is a Omega and why:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega-Level_Mutant
Originally posted by wannabe
Elixir has the POTENTIAL to manipulate organic matter and bioenergies at will to ANY degree he can imagine. Healing other people is only the most simple expression of that potential, just like juggling some balls telekinetically was for the early Jean.
So far Elixir has shown at least three times, that he can do more than just heal surface wounds:
- he healed himself from a mortal wound, caused by Wolfsbane, and changed his outward looks while he was at it
- he reactivated the x-genes of Wolfsbane and so gave her back her mutant powers
- he used his powers offensively to harm Surge and others during the HoM run
Yeah I knew of those instances, but that still doesn't impress me.
Oh yeah, how about Earthmover as well?
1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/w_179_023.jpg
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Oh yeah, how about Earthmover as well?1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/w_179_023.jpg
What teams he from and what are his powers?
He looks badass.
Originally posted by King_MungiYeah I knew of those instances, but that still doesn't impress me. [/B][/QUOTE]I does not have to impress you!
[QUOTE=5945726]Originally posted by wannabe
[B]Elixir has the POTENTIAL to manipulate organic matter and bioenergies at will to ANY degree he can imagine. Healing other people is only the most simple expression of that potential, just like juggling some balls telekinetically was for the early Jean.
So far Elixir has shown at least three times, that he can do more than just heal surface wounds:
- he healed himself from a mortal wound, caused by Wolfsbane, and changed his outward looks while he was at it
- he reactivated the x-genes of Wolfsbane and so gave her back her mutant powers
- he used his powers offensively to harm Surge and others during the HoM run
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....
Again:
Omega is about POTENTIAL, not about current powerlevel!
Just give Elixir a little time to explore and train his powers and perhaps you will be impressed in the future. 😉
Originally posted by wannabe
I does not have to impress you!
Has Jean been impressive when she first joined the X-Men?
Was Bobby's snowball-throwing impressive back then?NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....
Again:
Omega is about POTENTIAL, not about current powerlevel!
Just give Elixir a little time to explore and train his powers and perhaps you will be impressed in the future. 😉
Jean has recreated the universe when she was was in the White Room, with all the other Phenoix hosts. She has way more impressive feats than him. So far all Elixir has done, Lionel Jeffries has done and more.
We have no idea what he is capable of even if he does reach his potential. So basically were just guessing.
Originally posted by King_MungiDid you even read what i wrote, not to speak of an actual understanding of the content???
Jean has recreated the universe when she was was in the White Room, with all the other Phenoix hosts. She has way more impressive feats than him. So far all Elixir has done, Lionel Jeffries has done and more.We have no idea what he is capable of even if he does reach his potential. So basically were just guessing.
Originally posted by wannabe
...Has Jean been impressive WHEN SHE FIRST JOINED the X-Men?
Was Bobby's snowball-throwing impressive back then?NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....
Again:
Omega is about POTENTIAL, not about current powerlevel!
Just give Elixir a little time to explore and train his powers and perhaps you will be impressed IN THE FUTURE.
Originally posted by King_MungiThat's why i wrote the following in the first place...
Yes, but we have seen the others potential to somesort of degree, we have no idea what he is capable of, while others such as Jean and Iceman we have. It's a huge difference.
Originally posted by wannabeThe rest i posted only to make clear, that Elixir's current power level does not mean, that he can't be a major factor among mutants in the future, since Jean and Bobby started just as "weak" as he did, and look what they have become.
...I think, that we actually don't know enough about the ultimate abilities of Iceman, Elixir and Kid Omega at their full potential (though Quentin/Bobby had some impressive feats during Endsong/X-Men Forever) to predict the outcome of this fight
