Re: Ion vs One Million Superman with Gl ring
Originally posted by Jade Chihuahua
Ion has near unlimited power, but could he beat Superman Prime after emerging from the son with the ring of a Green Lantern?No prep time....in space.
Let's see.
Kyle Rayner as Ion basically had all of the power of Oa flowing through him, and he could do virtually anything (and I mean coming as close to the definition of 'anything' as possible).
Superman Prime on the other hand, when he came out of the sun, was channeling all the power of Oa through the very last ring of the Green Lantern corp. While in that comic (the ONE comic he appears in) he doesn't do much in terms of feats with the ring (apart from, of crouse, smashing a super-sun to bits when all other heroes in the systems had failed) his potential with the ring basically ties with Ion's.
As in they both have the same tool, with unlimited powers, and while Kyle is an adept user of the power-ring he is facing Superman Prime, the most powerful Superman of all, and thus having mental powers surpassing what he had during the Pre-Crisis era.
- Thus it is a tie when it comes to power rings.
- It is a tie when it comes to access to the power of OA.
- As the entity Ion, Kyle was able to know how to use the ring to its fullest effect. Thus that would negate any super-enhanced Kryptonian (and more since when Kal-El came back, even before he went into the sun, he had gone far beyond his original power sets) abilities that Superman Prime may have. Thus the mental abilities of the Prime Superman, which would enable him to defeat any GL in the use of the power ring, would be negated when it came to facing off against Ion (or Parallax for that matter). Thus it is also a tie in terms of the ability to use the power ring.
Now, Superman Prime had a myriad other powers that made him a god (even without the power ring). Thus an argument could be made that if in terms of power rings they are equal then the Prime Superman could defeat Ion using other powers.
That would be a sound argument.
HOWEVER the ONLY COMIC HE APPEARED IN (i.e the JLA/Superman 1million arc) never went into great detail concerning the abilities of the Prime Superman.
All they said is that he:
- had the ability to GRANT powers to those who agreed to his covenant, powers that were 'far beyond any held by any metahuman EVER.' And if he can grant that imagine the powers he has for himself.
- had 'powers gleaned from the very edge of time and space'
And all this was BEFORE he went into the sun for a thousand years!
Hence DC never goes far into the sheer ability of the Prime Superman, apart from HINTING that he is arguably the most powerful hero-entity that DC comics has ever put to paper and ink.
HOWEVER all that is conjecture, and although it is POWERFUL conjecture it is still that at the end of the day.
Hence that can be negated, and the least that can be said is that a tie forms between Ion and the Prime Superman.
(Although an EXTREMELY strong argument could be made that Prime Superman could whip Ion since they both tie in coherent ability of use and fullness of access to Oa power, but that the Superman has other abilities that are godlike in their own sense. Thus I could say that Prime wins, but I will stay away from that and just call it a tie. However if this fight was to ever happen I know whose side I would rather be on, and let's say his name would NOT be Kyle).
Nice essay Spetznatz !!!
I agree, DC stated his feats BEFORE MILLENIUM SUN DIPPING !!
But dont you think his ability to grant others powers is a bit weird ??
How can a Kryptonian inherit such an ability if not by ........................................................................................................................................... MAGIC !!!
Re: Re: Ion vs One Million Superman with Gl ring
Originally posted by spetznaz
Let's see.
Kyle Rayner as Ion basically had all of the power of Oa flowing through him, and he could do virtually anything (and I mean coming as close to the definition of 'anything' as possible).Superman Prime on the other hand, when he came out of the sun, was channeling all the power of Oa through the very last ring of the Green Lantern corp. While in that comic (the ONE comic he appears in) he doesn't do much in terms of feats with the ring (apart from, of crouse, smashing a super-sun to bits when all other heroes in the systems had failed) his potential with the ring basically ties with Ion's.
As in they both have the same tool, with unlimited powers, and while Kyle is an adept user of the power-ring he is facing Superman Prime, the most powerful Superman of all, and thus having mental powers surpassing what he had during the Pre-Crisis era.- Thus it is a tie when it comes to power rings.
- It is a tie when it comes to access to the power of OA.
- As the entity Ion, Kyle was able to know how to use the ring to its fullest effect. Thus that would negate any super-enhanced Kryptonian (and more since when Kal-El came back, even before he went into the sun, he had gone far beyond his original power sets) abilities that Superman Prime may have. Thus the mental abilities of the Prime Superman, which would enable him to defeat any GL in the use of the power ring, would be negated when it came to facing off against Ion (or Parallax for that matter). Thus it is also a tie in terms of the ability to use the power ring.Now, Superman Prime had a myriad other powers that made him a god (even without the power ring). Thus an argument could be made that if in terms of power rings they are equal then the Prime Superman could defeat Ion using other powers.
That would be a sound argument.
HOWEVER the ONLY COMIC HE APPEARED IN (i.e the JLA/Superman 1million arc) never went into great detail concerning the abilities of the Prime Superman.
All they said is that he:- had the ability to GRANT powers to those who agreed to his covenant, powers that were 'far beyond any held by any metahuman EVER.' And if he can grant that imagine the powers he has for himself.
- had 'powers gleaned from the very edge of time and space'And all this was BEFORE he went into the sun for a thousand years!
Hence DC never goes far into the sheer ability of the Prime Superman, apart from HINTING that he is arguably the most powerful hero-entity that DC comics has ever put to paper and ink.
HOWEVER all that is conjecture, and although it is POWERFUL conjecture it is still that at the end of the day.
Hence that can be negated, and the least that can be said is that a tie forms between Ion and the Prime Superman.
(Although an EXTREMELY strong argument could be made that Prime Superman could whip Ion since they both tie in coherent ability of use and fullness of access to Oa power, but that the Superman has other abilities that are godlike in their own sense. Thus I could say that Prime wins, but I will stay away from that and just call it a tie. However if this fight was to ever happen I know whose side I would rather be on, and let's say his name would NOT be Kyle).
Well said. It's pretty much infinite power, vs infinite power.
Nobody knows at full power what these 2 are capable of, but if it's in a comic, I myself would know what side I would be on.
I never saw anything that put Prime past Skyfather in the DC 1 Million series.....Did you?? Ion is near abstract level though. I beleive that if they fought , Ion could nullifye Primes ring, thus taking away Primes reality manipulation, time control, resurrection etc, but DC wouldn't let that happen to the flagship. Ion could possibly devolve him to an amoeba, since the ring can do ANYTHING. But DC wouldn't let that happen. So it would probably be shown as a stalemate or they wouldn't fight at all. Sucks to be him, huh? Not defeated by a powerset or superior intellect, but by the dreaded character shield!!!