Alpha Flight vs. West Coast Avengers

Alpha Flight:
Heather Hudson [Vindicator II, Geothermal Suit]
James Hudson [Guardian I, Electromagnetic Suit]
Madison Jeffries [Box v.4]
Puck
Sasquatch
Shaman
Snowbird
Talisman
Windshear

West Coast Avengers:
Hawkeye
Iron Man
Mockingbird
Moon Knight
Phantom Rider
Scarlet Witch [Non House of M]
Spider-Woman II
Tigra
USAgent
Vision
Wonder Man

Here's the Alpha Flight Respect Thread:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=371981&perpage=20&pagenumber=1

I'm currently working on a glossary, if you need some help finding keythings or want a guide to find things just pm and I will send you the rough copy for now.

I'll wait for a few comments and then I will give my two cents

Tough to say cause there's so many variables but Alpha wins IMO.

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Tough to say cause there's so many variables but Alpha wins IMO.

Such as?....asking just to give insight into the thread

Also I would give it to AF as well, Box can take Iron Man, Windshear can take Vision and there goes the two big heavy hitters. Even Heather battled out with Wonderman before and almost beat him and she was holding back [fight got interupted]

Where's Northstar?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Where's Northstar?

I thought it would be unfair if I added the twins, I may even have to start talking out some members if it's too lopsided.

I even posted a scan in the respect thread of him acheiving orbital velocity, that's mach 18.7+ [Pg.14]

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Such as?....asking just to give insight into the thread

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Well, in a fight with so many particapants it's hard to say how it would go. But really when i think about it, Alpha just has too much power for the WCA to win. Shaman and Talisman teamed up could curbstomp quite a few of the members early on...

It's even possible for Talisman to take them all on and win. I don't know why I added her. So take her out, and no need to add anyone else.

Windshear vs. Vision
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/AlphaFlight127-12.jpg

Guardian II vs. Wonderman
1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/AlphaFlight127-07.jpg
2. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/AlphaFlight127-08.jpg
3. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/AlphaFlight127-13.jpg
4. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/AlphaFlight127-14.jpg

I think Alpha Flight will end up on top, unless U.S. Agent goes into FANATIC MODE and starts quoting Dan Qayle, then it's over for the northern warriors.

If Sasquatch can get a good start on Wonderman, I think he can win, unless Wonderman grabs him and goes airborne, then it reduces his chances of winning I think. If that happens, Snowbird can go after him.

Guardian and/or Vindicator can probably take out Iron Man, if it's both of them together, they can definately do it.

Windshear can deal with Vision as above. That leaves the rest to go with the weaker Avengers.

Also, was Phantom Rider ever an Avengers member? I know Two-Gun Kid was, but I thought it was just Phantom Rider's "spirit" or whatever that hung out and harassed Mockingbird. It might even it up a bit if Jim Hammond, the Human Torch was added in, in someone's steed on the Avengers side, he was reintrodced into the modern age in WCA, and was a crucial member for a few issues under Byrne.

Originally posted by ScarletSpider
Also, was Phantom Rider ever an Avengers member? I know Two-Gun Kid was, but I thought it was just Phantom Rider's "spirit" or whatever that hung out and harassed Mockingbird. It might even it up a bit if Jim Hammond, the Human Torch was added in, in someone's steed on the Avengers side, he was reintrodced into the modern age in WCA, and was a crucial member for a few issues under Byrne.

Yeah your right I just added him just to boost the numbers up.

Only problem with that is Heather has even beat Sunfire and almost killed him [in her geothermal suit], and Guardian I can just create a plasma funnel to snuf out the flames and good old cyborg part of him is left.

Shaman and Talisman have to take out Scarlett witch quickly, if that happens Alpha romps the avengers.

Only problem with that is Heather has even beat Sunfire and almost killed him [in her geothermal suit], and Guardian I can just create a plasma funnel to snuf out the flames and good old cyborg part of him is left.

Unless he causes them to spontaneously combust from the inside out. He can create, incite and control fire besides his own Torch flames, setting people and robots on fire by concentrating, and he can control flames not his own. I'm not saying he would do that, though, he's not blood thirsty, he reserved that trick for robots and vampires.

Originally posted by ScarletSpider
Unless he causes them to spontaneously combust from the inside out. He can create, incite and control fire besides his own Torch flames, setting people and robots on fire by concentrating, and he can control flames not his own. I'm not saying he would do that, though, he's not blood thirsty, he reserved that trick for robots and vampires.

I don't remember that, but Shaman can contol fire and Guardian II has a great deal of variety with fire as well. Even can absorb the heat from a nuclear reactor.

I never liked how they changed him into a cyborg.

Cyborg Guardian you mean? Yeah, that was pretty dumb. Oh well, he's back now, if someone were to ever wish to use him.

Yeah, the pyrokineses, as it is, started to appear in New Invaders. Hammond can cause people and objects to spontaneously combust. How would Shaman or Guardian deal with that if it's them burning from the inside out?

WC Avengers win......no one on AF will be able to contend with Wonder Man.....remember: Wonder Man's beat Thor! Iron Man! Cap! Giant Man and Wasp! ALL AT THE SAME TIME!

....so yea basically Wonder Man just deals with Sasquatch quick and then goes around flicking everyone, knocking them out....

Originally posted by ScarletSpider
Cyborg Guardian you mean? Yeah, that was pretty dumb. Oh well, he's back now, if someone were to ever wish to use him.

Yeah, the pyrokineses, as it is, started to appear in New Invaders. Hammond can cause people and objects to spontaneously combust. How would Shaman or Guardian deal with that if it's them burning from the inside out?

My mistake the cyborg human torch is actually Vision that's who I was talking about, had a brainfart on that. Yeah Mac has been a cyborg for awhile and has a computer like mind but a writer can't write Alpha Flight to full potential

Depends if his combustion can get past a shield, and depends if Shaman acts first. If he doesn't, there isn't anything he could do.

Originally posted by Valeciano
WC Avengers win......no one on AF will be able to contend with Wonder Man.....remember: Wonder Man's beat Thor! Iron Man! Cap! Giant Man and Wasp! ALL AT THE SAME TIME!

....so yea basically Wonder Man just deals with Sasquatch quick and then goes around flicking everyone, knocking them out....

Not true, Guardian II already almost took him out just using sonics and she was holding back. Shaman can just banish him away or trap in a magical bubble or pull out dream sand and put him to sleep.

was he ionic when she did that? cuz when he's ionic he was immune to sonics and sleeping gas/sand and other things like that.....he also got a huge strength upgrade when he became ionic....plus the ability to get stronger like Hulk on top of his newfound strength....plus the ability to fly and some intangability....AF is screwed....

Originally posted by Valeciano
was he ionic when she did that? cuz when he's ionic he was immune to sonics and sleeping gas/sand and other things like that.....he also got a huge strength upgrade when he became ionic....plus the ability to get stronger like Hulk on top of his newfound strength....plus the ability to fly and some intangability....AF is screwed....

I posted the scans above, I'm not saying anyone can match him physically...they can't. They have powers that can cancel out his strengths even Guardian shuting down his brain patterns with a EMP or hitting him with a blast that can even kill a being as durable as Sasquatch. Most of all the members of Alpha FLight can fly. Hell, if you think his flight is an advantage Shaman sees Wonderman flying...throws a powder in the air and with a defenceless WW sends him to another dimension.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/AlphaFlight12-20.jpg
*Shaman also casted a spell to immobolize Sasquatch*

Hell really Shaman could even take them all, just inverts his poutch and sends them to a different dimension. He did this and sucked up Newfoundland, Alpha FLight, Avengers and the explosion from an atomic bomb. Even Sasquatch has gone toe to toe with Savage Hulk, as well as current Juggernaut so he is no pushover.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/avengers_v1_323_01_rougher.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/avengers_v1_323_02_rougher.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/avengers_v1_323_03_rougher.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/avengers_v1_323_06_rougher.jpg

EDIT: I highly doubt in ionic state he is immune to magic, by all account sleeping sand would still work on him. It attacks his mind
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/WhatIf_v2_59_WhatifWolverineleadAlp.jpg

WM has fought the Savage Hulk when both were extremely pissed off and bloodlusted to a double KO.....