I'm pretty shure that most of the Big Boys in the Mafia can throw hands. Ultimate Colossus isn't as bad as most of you think I think as soon as Colossus gets his hands on Namor which shouldn't be to hard for someone who took out Thor, and Ironman who both have mach speeds, and can fly the match would be over. Colossus takes durability to simply because he survived a nuke blast.
They can throw hands, but not anywhere close to the skills that Namor has.
And I doubt that Ultimate Thor or Iron Man have Mach speeds on anything other then terms of flying speeds, or at least I haven't seen them have. And Namor has survived a miniature nuke before.
Namor is just too fast for Colossus to be taken in h2h.
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Even if Colossus could get his hands on Namor, he could get off it with his superior fighting skills.
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Namor the Sub-Mariner
Namor The Sub-Mariner
Cover to Namor #1
John Byrne, artist
Publisher Marvel Comics
First appearance Motion Picture Funnies Weekly
Created by Bill Everett
Statistics
Real name Namor McKenzie
Status Active
Affiliations
Previous affiliations The Avengers
The Defenders
The Invaders
Notable aliases
Notable relatives Leonard McKenzie (father, deceased), Fen (mother), Namora (cousin, deceased), Namorita (cousin), Marrina (wife, in coma)
Notable powers Fully amphibious physignogmy and suited for high water pressure
Super strength, high speed swimming, atmospheric flight, command of marine life
Namor the Sub-Mariner is a fictional character featured in Marvel Comics, and one of the oldest superhero characters. He was created by cartoonist Bill Everett in 1939.
A trademark character of Marvel during the 1940s, Namor is the son of a human sea captain and a princess of the mythical undersea kingdom of Atlantis. Possessing the super strength and aquatic abilities of an Atlantean, Namor was alternatively portrayed as a good-natured but short-fused superhero and hostile invader, seeking vengeance for wrongs misguided surface dwellers committed against his undersea kingdom. He was thus arguably the first comic book anti-hero.
Although his stature has lessened, the Sub-Mariner has remained a somewhat popular and important Marvel character.
A Sub-Mariner feature film is in development. Chris Columbus is slated to direct.
History
The first cover appearance of Namor on Marvel Mystery Comics #4, February, 1940. Art by Alex Schomburg.Namor the Sub-Mariner first appeared in 1939 in a giveaway called Motion Picture Funnies Weekly that was printed in black and white and handed out in movie theatres. When that idea fell through, creator Bill Everett turned to a fledgling Timely Comics, later to become Marvel Comics, and pitched his idea.
Namor had been born of the pairing of the Atlantean Emperor Thakorr's daughter, Fen, and an American sea captain, Leonard McKenzie, of the icebreaker Oracle. When Fen did not return, Thakorr sent soldiers to attack the Oracle, thinking her captured. In truth, McKenzie had taken her as his bride. In the ensuing attack, McKenzie was believed killed, and Fen returned to her Antarctic kingdom. Nine months later, a pink-skinned child was born among the blue-skinned Atlanteans.
Namor was to be Timely's first "hero". Everett's creation would, in time, go up against his friend Carl Burgos's android superhero, the Human Torch, and eventually, as the US entered the Second World War, against Adolf Hitler and the Axis Powers.
Along with many other Marvel characters Namor disappeared following the end of WWII and the subsequent decline in popularity of super-hero comics. However, in the 1960s Namor re-surfaced in the pages of the Fantastic Four where the new Human Torch discovered him living as an amnesiac homeless man in Manhattan. During this period Namor first starred in his own title The Sub-Mariner, which ran for more than 80 issues. The character has been revived at various times over the years, most recently by John Byrne in the early 90s.
Namor has remained a constant for Atlas (now Marvel) Comics. Never really a hero or villain, he has matched himself against the Fantastic Four, the Avengers, Doctor Doom, and many others, protecting his kingdom and seeking revenge on the surface world whenever it is threatened. Although he has served alongside, or even as a member of, several superhero teams – most notably The Defenders and The Avengers – he remains an outsider.
Bibliography
Solo series and features
Motion Picture Funnies Weekly oneshot giveaway (1939)
Marvel Comics (Marvel Mystery Comics #2 onward) #1-91 (October, 1939 – April, 1949)
Sub-Mariner Comics #1-42 (Spring, 1941 – October, 1955)
Tales to Astonish (1959 series) #70-101 (August, 1965 – March, 1968)
Iron Man and the Sub-Mariner oneshot (April, 1968)
Sub-Mariner #1-72 (May, 1968 – September, 1974)
Sub-Mariner Annual #1-2 (1971 – 1972)
Tales to Astonish #1-14 (December, 1979 – January, 1981; reprints Sub-Mariner #1-14)
Prince Namor, the Sub-Mariner #1-4 (September, 1984 – December, 1984)
The Saga of the Sub-Mariner #1-12 (November, 1988 – October, 1989)
Namor the Sub-Mariner #1-65 (April, 1990 – May, 1995)
Namor the Sub-Mariner Annual #1-4 (1991 – 1994)
Tales of the Marvels: Inner Demons oneshot (1996)
Incredible Hulk/Sub-Mariner Annual (1998)
Namor #1-12 (June, 2003 – May, 2004)
Marvel Masterworks: The Sub-Mariner (2004; reprints Marvel Comics (1939 series) #1, Daredevil (1964 series) #7, Tales to Astonish (1959 series) #70-87
Featured as team member
Marvel Feature #1-3 (December, 1971 – June, 1972; as part of the Defenders)
The Defenders #1-16 (August, 1972 – October, 1974)
Invaders #1-41 (August, 1975 – September, 1979)
Invaders Annual #1 (1977)
Avengers (1964 series) #262-293 (December, 1985 – July, 1988)
Invaders #1-4 (May, 1993 – August, 1993)
Invaders (New Invaders #2 onward) #0-9 (August, 2004 – June, 2005)
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Hasn't Hulk ever hit Namor before with a punch?
Hulk is fast. He can move at mach speeds. Being hit by the Hulk is nothing to be ashamed of. Refer to the Hulk respect thread in the Hulk forum. Namor did well against the Hulk. Namor takes this match 6 maybe 7 times out of 10 due to speed and fighting experience.
Originally posted by soujaboy09
Namor the Sub-MarinerNamor The Sub-Mariner
Cover to Namor #1
John Byrne, artistPublisher Marvel Comics
First appearance Motion Picture Funnies Weekly
Created by Bill EverettStatistics
Real name Namor McKenzie
Status Active
Affiliations
Previous affiliations The Avengers
The Defenders
The Invaders
Notable aliases
Notable relatives Leonard McKenzie (father, deceased), Fen (mother), Namora (cousin, deceased), Namorita (cousin), Marrina (wife, in coma)
Notable powers Fully amphibious physignogmy and suited for high water pressure
Super strength, high speed swimming, atmospheric flight, command of marine lifeNamor the Sub-Mariner is a fictional character featured in Marvel Comics, and one of the oldest superhero characters. He was created by cartoonist Bill Everett in 1939.
A trademark character of Marvel during the 1940s, Namor is the son of a human sea captain and a princess of the mythical undersea kingdom of Atlantis. Possessing the super strength and aquatic abilities of an Atlantean, Namor was alternatively portrayed as a good-natured but short-fused superhero and hostile invader, seeking vengeance for wrongs misguided surface dwellers committed against his undersea kingdom. He was thus arguably the first comic book anti-hero.
Although his stature has lessened, the Sub-Mariner has remained a somewhat popular and important Marvel character.
A Sub-Mariner feature film is in development. Chris Columbus is slated to direct.
History
The first cover appearance of Namor on Marvel Mystery Comics #4, February, 1940. Art by Alex Schomburg.Namor the Sub-Mariner first appeared in 1939 in a giveaway called Motion Picture Funnies Weekly that was printed in black and white and handed out in movie theatres. When that idea fell through, creator Bill Everett turned to a fledgling Timely Comics, later to become Marvel Comics, and pitched his idea.
Namor had been born of the pairing of the Atlantean Emperor Thakorr's daughter, Fen, and an American sea captain, Leonard McKenzie, of the icebreaker Oracle. When Fen did not return, Thakorr sent soldiers to attack the Oracle, thinking her captured. In truth, McKenzie had taken her as his bride. In the ensuing attack, McKenzie was believed killed, and Fen returned to her Antarctic kingdom. Nine months later, a pink-skinned child was born among the blue-skinned Atlanteans.
Namor was to be Timely's first "hero". Everett's creation would, in time, go up against his friend Carl Burgos's android superhero, the Human Torch, and eventually, as the US entered the Second World War, against Adolf Hitler and the Axis Powers.
Along with many other Marvel characters Namor disappeared following the end of WWII and the subsequent decline in popularity of super-hero comics. However, in the 1960s Namor re-surfaced in the pages of the Fantastic Four where the new Human Torch discovered him living as an amnesiac homeless man in Manhattan. During this period Namor first starred in his own title The Sub-Mariner, which ran for more than 80 issues. The character has been revived at various times over the years, most recently by John Byrne in the early 90s.
Namor has remained a constant for Atlas (now Marvel) Comics. Never really a hero or villain, he has matched himself against the Fantastic Four, the Avengers, Doctor Doom, and many others, protecting his kingdom and seeking revenge on the surface world whenever it is threatened. Although he has served alongside, or even as a member of, several superhero teams – most notably The Defenders and The Avengers – he remains an outsider.
Bibliography
Solo series and features
Motion Picture Funnies Weekly oneshot giveaway (1939)
Marvel Comics (Marvel Mystery Comics #2 onward) #1-91 (October, 1939 – April, 1949)
Sub-Mariner Comics #1-42 (Spring, 1941 – October, 1955)
Tales to Astonish (1959 series) #70-101 (August, 1965 – March, 1968)
Iron Man and the Sub-Mariner oneshot (April, 1968)
Sub-Mariner #1-72 (May, 1968 – September, 1974)
Sub-Mariner Annual #1-2 (1971 – 1972)
Tales to Astonish #1-14 (December, 1979 – January, 1981; reprints Sub-Mariner #1-14)
Prince Namor, the Sub-Mariner #1-4 (September, 1984 – December, 1984)
The Saga of the Sub-Mariner #1-12 (November, 1988 – October, 1989)
Namor the Sub-Mariner #1-65 (April, 1990 – May, 1995)
Namor the Sub-Mariner Annual #1-4 (1991 – 1994)
Tales of the Marvels: Inner Demons oneshot (1996)
Incredible Hulk/Sub-Mariner Annual (1998)
Namor #1-12 (June, 2003 – May, 2004)
Marvel Masterworks: The Sub-Mariner (2004; reprints Marvel Comics (1939 series) #1, Daredevil (1964 series) #7, Tales to Astonish (1959 series) #70-87Featured as team member
Marvel Feature #1-3 (December, 1971 – June, 1972; as part of the Defenders)
The Defenders #1-16 (August, 1972 – October, 1974)
Invaders #1-41 (August, 1975 – September, 1979)
Invaders Annual #1 (1977)
Avengers (1964 series) #262-293 (December, 1985 – July, 1988)
Invaders #1-4 (May, 1993 – August, 1993)
Invaders (New Invaders #2 onward) #0-9 (August, 2004 – June, 2005)
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Ultimate Colossus
Codename: Colossus
Real name: Piotr (Peter) Nikolaievitch Rasputin
Group affiliation: The X-Men
Base of operations: Xavier Institute for Gifted Children
First appearance: Ultimate X-Men #1
Height: 6'6"
Weight: 250 lbs. normal, 500 lbs. in armoured form
Eye color: Blue
Hair color: Black
What the Professor says: "Perhaps the development I'm most proud of is how Wolverine and Colossus have reinvented themselves over these last few months. Both young men raised in violence and misery, they now spend their evenings scanning newspapers for hard-luck stories and unsolved crimes... walking the streets from dusk 'til dawn in search of people who might be in need of their particular kind of help."
History
A young Piotr Rasputin left his poverty-stricken family to make a living in the United States where he joined the Russian Mafia. Peter kept his mutant power a secret and became more and more sucesssful in the mafia world. However, every penny he earned was sent back to his family in Siberia.
During a illegal arms transaction on a dock in New York, Piotr and his associates were backstabbed and attacked with machine guns. Everyone on the dock was killed except for Piotr, who was saved by his mutant ability. Outted as a mutant, Piotr thought his life was over. But he was found by Jean Grey and offered a place among the X-Men, a team of young mutants dedicated to bringing about peaceful coexistence between the two species of man. As Colossus, Piotr now serves as the squad's super-strong powerhouse.
After they were freed from the Weapon X project, Colossus and the X-Men embarked on a World Tour to promote Xavier's new book. While in London however, Colossus suddenly departed the team and left home to Russia. With Cyclops and Marvel Girl on his trail, Piotr got a job with a car manufacturing plant and proclaimed to Scott and Jean that he was indeed happy. Unsatisfied, the two pursued Piotr until he explained his reason for leaving. Peter declared that he was unhappy with his place on the team, that he was ignored and that none of his team members cared for him. Marvel Girl, however, disagreed stating that his true reason was because of the feelings he had for a fellow team member. Peter promptly dismissed the two.
Later that night, however, the local Russian news announced that a submarine had crashed underwater and that there was no hope for the crews survival. Unable to sit idly by, Piotr took charge and dove to the submarine and dislodged it. When he reached the surface, Colossus was doused with media attention which proclaimed him the most famous super-hero on the planet. Peter put his grudges with the X-Men aside and left Russia with Cyclops and Marvel Girl to meet up with the X-Men in Germany, who were in a heated battle with Xavier's son David. With the Professor torn between killing his son and allowing thousands of innocents to perish, Colossus took action and crushed David with a car ending the battle as well as the lives of David and Col. Betsy Braddock.
Colossus and a handful of X-Men were invited to an evening out with the Hellfire Club, the X-Men's secret financiers at their headquarters in New York. There he met the Russian President who had grown up merely a few miles from Piotr's collective in Russia. The group including Jean, Ororo and the Professor were ambushed and captured. In truth, Hellfire had been monitoring Jean Grey in order to use her as a vehicle to bring forth their ancient god, the Phoenix. The Phoenix arose in Jean and she murdered the Hellfire Club. However, Xavier was able to force the Phoenix into submission freeing Jean from it's grasp. Colossus was unharmed during the ordeal.
Colossus and the X-Men were forced out of the mansion with the U.S. Government on their backs. In the final climactic battle between the X-Men and The Ultimates, America's premier superhero team, Colossus stood his own against Iron Man and Thor and was able to withstand a localized nuclear explosion direct at him by Hawkeye, proving Piotr's amazing strength.
After hiding out in a suburban New York home, unbeknownst to it's residents thanks to Marvel Girl's abilities, Colossus and the X-Men located Magneto's flying citadel using a signal sent by the captured Cyclops. Upon their arrival, they were subdued by Magneto's control over the iron in their blood. Using his unimaginable power, Colossus was able to overcome Magneto's influence and broke free attacking him mercilessly for the harm he had inflicted on Peter's friends especially Wolverine. His concentration destroyed, Magneto released the X-Men who were able to apprehend him all thanks to Piotr's determination.
Powers and abilities
Colossus possesses the ability to transform his entire body into a form of organic steel, named by some sources as analogous to Osmium but of still unknown composition.
In this transformed state, Colossus' body gains around a inch in additional height and his body mass is at least doubled. The source of Colossus' gain in height and muscle mass is unknown but possibly extradimensional.
While in his armored form, Colossus possesses significant superhuman strength. As a teenager, Colossus' powers allow him in "Class 100" Power Level enabling him to lift in excess of 100 tons. The full limit of his strength has not been revealed. Aside from this great strength, in his steel form he possesses a high degree of invulnerability to conventional injury. In this "armored" form, he can withstand the impact of a 5,000 ton speeding train, the ballistic penetration of a 110 millimeter Howitzer shell and the explosive force of a nuclear bomb. He is highly resistant to heat and cold being able to receive full-force blasts from The Human Torch and/or Ice Man without taking damage and can survive temperature extremes from -320o Fahrenheit to approximately 9000o F. Being conductive, he is immune to electricity. Colossus's armored body also cannot rust.
A side effect of his armor's strength enhancing effect is a vastly greater muscle efficiency than an ordinary human. While armored, his muscles generate considerably less lactic acids than those of ordinary humans granting him superhuman levels of stamina in all activities. He can exert himself at peak capacity for several days before fatigue begins to impair him. Colossus' armored form is also invulnerable to rusting under Earthly conditions. Colossus has demonstrated no need to breathe while he is in his armored state and there's no known limit as to how long he can remain in this form. Colossus also has no limit with his strength, as long as he works out in his normal form his steel form will continue to grow stronger.
Colossus cannot transform a single portion of his body into this armored state, he must either be completely transformed or remain within his normal state.
In the Ultimate continuity, it has been shown that Colossus's eyes do not turn into steel, but instead remain organic and vulnerable where as in the normal continuity, Colossus's eyes have been able to withstand a gunshot. Unlike the "normal" Colossus when he is knocked unconscious, he remains in whatever form he was in (See the "Hellfire and Brimstone" plotline) and everything else seems to stay the same. In the Ultimate War crossover with the Ultimates, Colossus fought Thor and had the upper hand against the thunder god.
Originally posted by Adam Warlock
Hulk is fast. He can move at mach speeds. Being hit by the Hulk is nothing to be ashamed of. Refer to the Hulk respect thread in the Hulk forum. Namor did well against the Hulk. Namor takes this match 6 maybe 7 times out of 10 due to speed and fighting experience.
That's my point exactly. With vast superhuman strength comes a good deal of superhuman speed as well. Without it, your punches would do nothing because you'd be hitting your opponent so softly. Well, Ult. Colossus is vastly superhuman. With that, he, too, would have a certain degree of superhuman speed and reaction time.
If Colossus does get his hands on Namor, I truly think Colossus could really mess him up. But, in the air, Namor is victorious.
I'm still giving them both 5/10 for the moment.
Originally posted by soujaboy09
If they didnt they couldn't move there muscles fast enouph to hit anyone.
Exactly my point. Think about it, Dark Crawler. If Hulk didn't have super speed, he wouldn't be able to hit anyone with his punches, as they would just be as fast as a normal human's punch. And if he did land one, it would have the exact same amount of power behind as if he were Bruce again.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerWhy would you assume he Namor is "vastly superior" to Colossus in fighting?
How does he mess Namor if he gets his hands on him? Namor is vastly superior fighter and probably stronger too. And remains faster in terms of fighting speed too.And not all super strong people get superhuman speed.
He worked for the Russian mafia and trained in the danger room.
Do you have any scans of Namor training or working out in any way?
I think Ult. Colossus is indeed stronger than Namor. Colossus' greatest feat was overpowering Magneto. Magneto had enough power to hold up around 30 Sentinels in the air and hold them there.
I was undecided until I found this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Feat_List_of_the_Sub-Mariner#The_Feat_List_Of_Prince_Namor_.28aka._The_Sub-Mariner.29
I go with namor 8 or 9/10
Originally posted by TheKahnThose are pretty impressive but some of those feats can be argued.
I was undecided until I found this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Feat_List_of_the_Sub-Mariner#The_Feat_List_Of_Prince_Namor_.28aka._The_Sub-Mariner.29
I go with namor 8 or 9/10
Like the one where he pushes that cruiser while it appears to be already on its way down.
Colossus can match those strenght feats as he has shown.
Originally posted by snoopdoggActually I just went back and checked. It was more like 60 Sentinels Magneto overpowered and held them up in the air in a giant circle. He didn't even seem to be struggling.
I think Ult. Colossus is indeed stronger than Namor. Colossus' greatest feat was overpowering Magneto. Magneto had enough power to hold up around 30 Sentinels in the air and hold them there.
