Vegetarians are hypocrites?

I just don't get the first post, it's too much nonsense for my taste.

But I think everyone has a right to eat what they want, if you don't like meat that's good..but when it comes to forcing people (both ways) it's just not good, and shouldn't be done.

As for the Vegetarians live healthier thing, i am not absolutely sure that this is right, I think a balanced diet inclúding meat is just as good as vegetarianism if not better...if there are studies to disagree with that view I am happy to learn more.

Originally posted by Rave X
I used to be a vegetarian, I think for over 5 or 6 years. Though a month or two ago I decided to start eating meat again. Why? Simple. One word: hypocrite.
There is almost in everything something from an animal (cheese, chocolate, whine gums, etc) and I have a leather jacket and leather shoes.
My bf and I had an interesting discussion yesterday. Since I do still want to be a veggie, I asked him what his point of view is on that matter. He said things like "I dont mind eating cow, pig and sheep, they are created by mankind purely for food. Though I do not eat horse meat, a horse is created by mother earth, purely to work for and with us, therefore not to eat. That makes it more that 'a piece of meat'" and "if a chicken from our neighbours walks into our garden, it becomes a 'buddy', and therefore its more than a piece of meat" and he admitted being hypocrite himself, since he does eat everything, so he probably eats horse meat to.
Now my points of discussion:
#1 - Just stop eating meat doesn't make you a vegetarian.
#2 - When are you a 'good' vegetarian? When it feels good for yourself?
#3 - They should make guidelines for vegetarians, so no one can get confused and all veggies know what they can and cant eat without going through trouble searching.
#4 - How far will you go? Where do you draw the line? Is there a line? Why not order a pizza with salami and get the salami off and eat the pizza? Why not wear leather?
These are discussionpoint, that does not mean I agree with them. I'm dying to know what you guys have to say about it.

#1-Yeah, it pretty much does.
#2-A 'good' vegetarian?
#3-What the hell? Guidelines?
#4-...

Originally posted by PVS
most vegitarians just suck. the one out of 1000 who dont preach and bash people who eat meat, good luck and god bless. the rest of you: get over yourselves.

seriously, next time you're enjoying a meat product in front of a vegitarian, and they give you the sermon, make sure to chew slower and make yummy sounds while you chew. also, chew with your mouth open so they can see the mangled flesh. thats the only way to get rid of them 🙂

I'm a vegetarian and I can't stand when other vegetarians preach and freak out on people when they eat meat. To me, it's a lifestyle choice and a personal opinion, and if others want to eat meat then hey, go for it. And I don't get all grossed out when people eat meat in front of me. 😛

Back to the original topic of this thread, I'm a vegetarian but certainly not a hypocrite. I don't eat any type of animal, and I don't eat anything with animal byproducts, such as chicken broth or gelatin. I do, however, eat cheese and dairy products. People who give up meat, dairy products, and even honey are considered vegans. It's pretty much the next step up from being a vegetarian. I, personally, could never do that. I also don't buy anything that's leather, suede, or fur. That's just cruel and unneccessary(sp?).

Originally posted by Eis
I didn't understand a lot from that post but, vegetarians I know don't eat meat because they think it's not good for their health and being a vegetarian means no meat whatsoever.

What didn't you understand? I'm not talking about veggie's who dont eat meat because its unhealthy.

no, they just do it for attention, so they can bash people who eat meat

And I also dont mean that kinda veggie's. I mean the kinda veggie's who believe in animal rights.

"1 - Just stop eating meat doesn't make you a vegetarian."

I'm pretty sure it does...

"2 - When are you a 'good' vegetarian? When it feels good for yourself?"

I didn't know vegetarians we're classed as such.

"3 - They should make guidelines for vegetarians, so no one can get confused and all veggies know what they can and cant eat without going through trouble searching. "

Vegetarian guidelines.... what?.... vegetarians can eat pretty much anything not containing meat... unless they are vegan or similar.

Veggie's arent classed, thats why the ' '

Again Euhm cow, pig and sheep are created by mother earth just a horse. We breed cows, pigs and sheep for food and other products: milk, wool and so on. But in certain cultures they also breed horses for food.

Nop. Cows, pigs and sheep's are bred by humans, just as some dog and cat razes. Other dog and cat razes already existed, just as horses.

A lot of chocolate also contains pig gelatin....I think that might have been what he was referring to Fire.

Yes, I was referring to gelatin

That is indeed true.... To be honest he didn't have much of an argument to begin with let alone any evidence or the correct use of English to back it up.

No, I didn't have an argument, I wanted opinions on it. Where the hell do I need evidence for? And yes, I do have problems pointing out everything (let alone correctly) in English since my native language is Dutch. I assumed that would not mind a great deal.
And, for the record, I'm a woman, not a man.

Hypocrisy is hypocrisy and should always be called out on.

But one of mjy best friends is a vegetarian for real- and that includes what he wears and what products he uses. And whilst he clearly has stronmg moral objections to the use of animals for eating, he never pushes his beliefs on anyone.

So hypocrisy is nothing to do with being a vegetarian. It is simply that a lot of Humans are hypocritical, and hence a lot of vegetarians are, just as a lot of meat eaters are.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
But one of my best friends is a vegetarian for real- and that includes what he wears and what products he uses.

How K.D. Lang of him.

Originally posted by Ladyluck
[BI'm a vegetarian and I can't stand when other vegetarians preach and freak out on people when they eat meat. To me, it's a lifestyle choice and a personal opinion, and if others want to eat meat then hey, go for it. And I don't get all grossed out when people eat meat in front of me. 😛

Back to the original topic of this thread, I'm a vegetarian but certainly not a hypocrite. I don't eat any type of animal, and I don't eat anything with animal byproducts, such as chicken broth or gelatin. I do, however, eat cheese and dairy products. People who give up meat, dairy products, and even honey are considered vegans. It's pretty much the next step up from being a vegetarian. I, personally, could never do that. I also don't buy anything that's leather, suede, or fur. That's just cruel and unneccessary(sp?). [/B]

youre the type vegetarian I was referring to.

Many vegetarian are not healthy. They won't eat meat, but load up on the junk. A true vegetarian eats veggies. As far a protein, you can get that from beans and rice mix together for a full protein. Taking B-12 supps. with give you that vitamin since you can't get that from veggies...AND I've read much on the health benefits including curing many diseases, even cancers

www.drday.com
www.hacres.com

Though these are christian websites, it does give info on how these people and others cured disease and cancer.

He's actually a bit of a back-to-basics guy; he has no love for the modern world, he'd just like to live out on a farm somewhere being self-sufficient.

What he doesn't know about plants isn't worth knowing, for sure.

He's also the healthiest guy I know and it's not from supplements. He's pretty trim.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Funny that. I know many vegetarians both strict and otherwise. I've never encountered such persecution. So I'm assuming you are exaggerating 🙂.

Though you know what is funny? People who eat meat and bash vegetarians, that's a good one.

-AC

dude, i've encountered it too many times.
but i will submit to this: most ambassadors to to such a 'cause' are just that, and their whiney judgmental words are spoken far louder than someone who just says "no thanks, im a vegetarian". but with that aside, i make no exageration.

so i must stress then, i refer to vegetarians who treat something as trivial as a choice of diet as a kind of crusade against the evil animal killers.

Originally posted by Rave X
youre the type vegetarian I was referring to.

Ok..

Originally posted by Rave X
Nop. Cows, pigs and sheep's are bred by humans, just as some dog and cat razes. Other dog and cat razes already existed, just as horses.

What? Cows are just like any other animals, the only difference might be that humans decided to cage them and eat them...now I am perfevctly fine with that...but denying them the same status as horses or dogs is just stupid. Cows are NOT manmade..they evolved like any other animal.....they were used for farm work and food for many years now and they might have been changed to fit our needs but they are not any different from horses..just that for some reason humans decided that they prefer eating cow to eating horse (probably horses were to useful)

Originally posted by Ladyluck
Ok..

I think she just called you a hypocrit.....

Originally posted by Ladyluck
I'm a vegetarian and I can't stand when other vegetarians preach and freak out on people when they eat meat. To me, it's a lifestyle choice and a personal opinion, and if others want to eat meat then hey, go for it. And I don't get all grossed out when people eat meat in front of me. 😛

so in other words unless someone offers you food with meat, or studies whats on your plate, they would never know you are a vegetarian. as it should be 🙂

Originally posted by PVS
so in other words unless someone offers you food with meat, or studies whats on your plate, they would never know you are a vegetarian. as it should be 🙂

Yeah, probably. 😛

Originally posted by debbiejo
Many vegetarian are not healthy. They won't eat meat, but load up on the junk. A true vegetarian eats veggies. As far a protein, you can get that from beans and rice mix together for a full protein. Taking B-12 supps. with give you that vitamin since you can't get that from veggies...AND I've read much on the health benefits including curing many diseases, even cancers

www.drday.com
www.hacres.com

Though these are christian websites, it does give info on how these people and others cured disease and cancer.

So you actually have to take manmade pills....I don't get it..why not eat the meat..it's much more natural......humans ate meat for thousands of years...

Natural doesn't mean right; vegetarianism is normally a moral stance, not a natural one (though there are many who argue on natural grounds also).

But yeah, the moral part is the important bit, so what man did for thousands of years is neither here nor there.

Originally posted by Bardock42
So you actually have to take manmade pills....I don't get it..why not eat the meat..it's much more natural......humans ate meat for thousands of years...

I don't take pills or any vitamins or anything. I know what to eat to get the protein I need from not eating meat. There are so many replacements for meat that give the same nutrients and such. As long as you eat right, you'll be fine without having to take any vitamins or anything.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Natural doesn't mean right; vegetarianism is normally a moral stance, not a natural one (though there are many who argue on natural grounds also).

But yeah, the moral part is the important bit, so what man did for thousands of years is neither here nor there.

Originally posted by Bardock42
So you actually have to take manmade pills....I don't get it..why not eat the meat..it's much more natural......humans ate meat for thousands of years...

Originally posted by Ladyluck
I don't take pills or any vitamins or anything. I know what to eat to get the protein I need from not eating meat. There are so many replacements for meat that give the same nutrients and such. As long as you eat right, you'll be fine without having to take any vitamins or anything.

And for what reason is it healthier...are theere actually scientific studies why animal meat is worse for your health...I don't get it...

Originally posted by debbiejo
That's why I'm 80% vegetarian now....It's only B-12 anyway, not the protein.