Originally posted by Blair Wind
what about time before match? is there gonna be prep time, no time, and magic characters need to be discussed, cuz if someone wanted to they could pull anything they want from their ass and say its within "magic"......
It would make sense if magic was limited , eg zatanna is a off limits character , wheras spawn on the otherhand uses magic in a not-so-over-the-top way.
Originally posted by grey fox
It would make sense if magic was limited , eg zatanna is a off limits character , wheras spawn on the otherhand uses magic in a not-so-over-the-top way.
Most matter/reality warping is going to be banned as it is, so most of the uber magic people (Strange, Zatanna) aren't going to be allowed. Neither of them really fit the description of "Iron Man level" anyway. If someone is "magic" in the Thorlike sense, meaning they are powered by magic, should be fine. People who have control over reality, not so much. Magic is allowed, but many of the things that people do with magic won't be. (Thor isn't really allowed, btw... but he doesn't do crazy, all but unexplainable stuff with magic, which was my point)
I'd also be very happy and honored to be a judge.
By the way, maybe you should also think of eliminating conscience-like characters such as Iceman, who doesn't need a physical form to affect the match. Because normally in order to take those out you need high ranking telepathy or matter manipulation, and those are both restricted. So if you allowed someone like Bobby, it wouldn't be very fair.
Originally posted by Dark Urizen
I'd also be very happy and honored to be a judge.By the way, maybe you should also think of eliminating conscience-like characters such as Iceman, who doesn't need a physical form to affect the match. Because normally in order to take those out you need high ranking telepathy or matter manipulation, and those are both restricted. So if you allowed someone like Bobby, it wouldn't be very fair.
There's a durability cap on Thing though. Bobby, and anyone else who can transfer a consciousness, can take WAY more than Thing. Maybe we should call it a killability cap or something instead, just to clarify...
That said, I was also thinking about intangibility... And "ring out" characters (mainly Blink and Cloak). Both of them are probably going to be banned, as would anyone who can teleport other people outside of the environment.
Originally posted by Dizzle
There's a durability cap on Thing though. Bobby, and anyone else who can transfer a consciousness, can take WAY more than Thing. Maybe we should call it a killability cap or something instead, just to clarify...That said, I was also thinking about intangibility... And "ring out" characters (mainly Blink and Cloak). Both of them are probably going to be banned, as would anyone who can teleport other people outside of the environment.
Not really. His "durability" would be about 1000 times worse than Thing's. Make sure you don't get caught up in the semantics before things start 😉
Maybe the proper terminology would be "characters without the need of a tangible body in order to use their powers are banned".
Originally posted by Dark Urizen
Not really. His "durability" would be about 1000 times worse than Thing's. Make sure you don't get caught up in the semantics before things start 😉Maybe the proper terminology would be "characters without the need of a tangible body in order to use their powers are banned".
Meh, that's what I meant by "killability". His body will get destroyed by a lot less than it would take to kill thing, but to kill him completely? It would take a LOT more.
I'm trying to generalize it more, in case someone comes up with a guy who can do something similar, but not quite exactly, what Bobby does. Loopholes suck. If someone can transfer consciousness, they will undoubtedly be harder to kill than Thing, so the "killabilaty" cap would still cover them.
Originally posted by Dizzle
Meh, that's what I meant by "killability". His body will get destroyed by a lot less than it would take to kill thing, but to kill him completely? It would take a LOT more.I'm trying to generalize it more, in case someone comes up with a guy who can do something similar, but not quite exactly, what Bobby does. Loopholes suck. If someone can transfer consciousness, they will undoubtedly be harder to kill than Thing, so the "killabilaty" cap would still cover them.
Yep, be sure to look out for loopholes when the drafting starts.
And you guy's still have to discuss on whether or not it should just be comic book characters , because let's be honest we all want to use an anime character . The only reason we weren't swamped with a billion Anime characters in the amalgam tourney was because not many people knew so only me and someone else used them (with me picking walter from hellsing and another guy choosing kenshin)
Originally posted by grey fox
And you guy's still have to discuss on whether or not it should just be comic book characters , because let's be honest we all want to use an anime character . The only reason we weren't swamped with a billion Anime characters in the amalgam tourney was because not many people knew so only me and someone else used them (with me picking walter from hellsing and another guy choosing kenshin)
I was actually thinking about picking Vash, but I figured he might be TOO fast, and the Angel Arm would've been banned anyway.
I'm leaving the "non-comic characters" up to the people who are actually in the tournament, as well as the number of draft picks (I think it's gonna be 3 or 4... 5's a bit too much from one range of power) and some of the other details.
Originally posted by grey fox
And you guy's still have to discuss on whether or not it should just be comic book characters , because let's be honest we all want to use an anime character . The only reason we weren't swamped with a billion Anime characters in the amalgam tourney was because not many people knew so only me and someone else used them (with me picking walter from hellsing and another guy choosing kenshin)
i'd be against it..... Anime characters seem to live by different rules of physics and life & death than other comic type characters.... and when they're shown to be lightning fast are they ever really moving faster than peak human?
there's too many differences that'll be argued over for ages taking attention away from the actual point of the match ups
Originally posted by Scoobless
i'd be against it..... Anime characters seem to live by different rules of physics and life & death than other comic type characters.... and when they're shown to be lightning fast are they ever really moving faster than peak human?there's too many differences that'll be argued over for ages taking attention away from the actual point of the match ups
I agree. They also add to the "chi factor" which i find annoying as hell. Is it magic? Is it energy? Who the f*ck knows. All i know is that it's too goddamn annoying to figure out.
God i hope nobody pics chi-based characters.
Originally posted by Dark Urizen
I agree. They also add to the "chi factor" which i find annoying as hell. Is it magic? Is it energy? Who the f*ck knows. All i know is that it's too goddamn annoying to figure out.God i hope nobody pics chi-based characters.
I really don't care what it is... As long as it's within power limits. There's stuff outside of anime as well (books, video games, etc)
Anime characters can be confusing as to power levels, because no numbers really get stated. Kenshin and Goku both move as little flashes, but one flies and does the whole "interplanetary travel" thing, while Kenshin stalemates guys who later get owned by a gattling gun and a skinny drug lord.
However, some of them DO bring in an interesting twist, and there's never really direct comparison between them and comic characters, so it eliminates a lot of the "No, see, my guy beat your guy once", regardless of PIS and such. There's both pros and cons, which is why I'm leaving it to the participants.
silverspider and Dizzle...
I mentioned some of this to Dizzle but you can both start thinking of battle locations. Coming up with enough good ones will be tricky.
Decide early on how you want to set up the matches. Evangel threw us together into matches. In the last one, I decided that the order in which people signed up for it would determine thier "rank" so that 1 played 16, 2/15, etc. That seemed to work well for me for randomness and fairness, but you can use whatever you like.
You'll both have the final say on draft picks...listen to others' gripes and opinions, but don't be afraid to exercise your power (with limits too if necessary).
I'll help for a bit, but once school starts again (mid Jan. or so) I'll be swamped.
Multiple Man should be fine-his powers don't make him invincible, nor do they make him really godly powerful. He's very useful for street level destruction, but once you get into the actual Iron Man level people, quality definitely reigns over quantity.
Let me start the rest by saying that no one in this tourney is getting cut down. If you pick a guy, his maximum levels must be within the caps. So while Human Torch's normal blasts are below Iron Man level, his Nova Blast would not be. Intangibility is being left to the contestants. Mind switches are a no no, time traveling will be ruled as a ring out against you. (so someone who CAN time travel isn't necessarily banned, but trying it would simply remove you from the fight, and put you down one guy) I'm probably actually just going to enforce LP's imaginary "no instant kill" rule, to make it a little easier. If you're picking someone because they can take someone of Thing level killability, via any method, in one easy go.... Don't even try it.
I'm thinking about actually enforcing the power caps as well. The past solutions have mostly been to simply adjust what one character "should" be able to do according to the tourney, and restricting them to that. I'm thinking about just eliminating characters from teams if they are argued to be well beyond any of the limits. It's an Iron Man level tourney. Is it really fair if one person wins because they drafted an obscure herald leveler?