Originally posted by Mider
it doesnt matter there is no alternate reality LT's there is only ONE LT and thus if there is an LT apperence it has the be that one LT since there is as i said only ONE LT.
if they are not canon then how can alternate reality characters appear in this main one and since when has the watcher lost his mind becomming a liar? LT is not as powerful as you all thought in fact you all never had any proof of him being the level of power he supposidly was the spectre on the other hand does show he is on a whole diffrent level.
Originally posted by Mider
if they are not canon then how can alternate reality characters appear in this main one and since when has the watcher lost his mind becomming a liar? LT is not as powerful as you all thought in fact you all never had any proof of him being the level of power he supposidly was the spectre on the other hand does show he is on a whole diffrent level.
The Watcher was used as a guide in some of the stories. In a What If Doom became Sorcerror Supreme, Watcher began the story. In What if Captain America had been alive today, and no where was Watcher shown.
What If's are ment to be fun and dive into different scenerios. The truly aren't cannon. Another one was What If the Impossible Man had the IG.
Mider heh i also remeber LT being defied by Dr Strange oh wow what power indeed Spectre is out to destroy ALL magic and is doing a pretty good job oh and did you forgot he was taking over heaven and hell does LT even compare? I think not.
Strange defies alot of people. In his first appearance, Strange had Ancient One's powers and was getting handed by Zom. LT shows up and Zom lost just like that.
LT pulled out spells on Strange which which was broken by Strange. But those weren't LT's powers, mere spells mages like Strange, Mordo, Clea, and any compantant sorcerror can conjure up. Strange than reforms his burnt cape just to prove to LT he was the supreme sorcerror. LT than gave Strange limited time to save his world before LT ruled against Earth. Strange then ran around in frantic to accomplish the task.
Spectre also took like forever just to go through all the magic in DC.
and thats suppose to mean what? you really think LT could do better he cant even take out strange very easily you think that he could do better in the DCU? i think not half the beings in the dcu could wipe him out like the source and such against Spectre he wouldnt stand a chance i mean spectre destroyed the fount of magic you think LT could do that i cant even vision him doing that if marvel wants LT to be so powerful they should turn him into a villian or something and show exactly what kind of true powers he has like they have spectre he isnt so above and beyond that he cant be evil he's just a punk who cant defeat a being who's powers are equal or less then that of eternity and what ifs maybe not be canon to this universe but when a being like LT shows up in the what if they have to assume that he really was there less the watcher is just day dreaming which i dont think he was no he said that the multiverse was a universe short after that saga and thanks to LT's uselessess i should add.
Originally posted by Mider
and thats suppose to mean what? you really think LT could do better he cant even take out strange very easily you think that he could do better in the DCU? i think not half the beings in the dcu could wipe him out like the source and such against Spectre he wouldnt stand a chance i mean spectre destroyed the fount of magic you think LT could do that i cant even vision him doing that if marvel wants LT to be so powerful they should turn him into a villian or something and show exactly what kind of true powers he has like they have spectre he isnt so above and beyond that he cant be evil he's just a punk who cant defeat a being who's powers are equal or less then that of eternity and what ifs maybe not be canon to this universe but when a being like LT shows up in the what if they have to assume that he really was there less the watcher is just day dreaming which i dont think he was no he said that the multiverse was a universe short after that saga and thanks to LT's uselessess i should add.
Dormammu clashed with Eternity, both vanished. Yet Strange defies Dormammu and his prevented him from his goals. So does that mean Eternity and Dormammu are less powerful?
Strange had to bring Galactus in to fight Agamotto because Agy caged Strange like dog. Agamotto, who's power his been called by Strange and Ancient One ever since Strange's early appearances, only stalemated Galactus. A mystical deity only managed to stalemate Galactus, who Strange commented didn't know that much about magic.
Your assuming that since Strange defied LT; Spectre would wreck LT. LT isn't magic. Him absorbing magic has nothing to do with LT.
thats not what i ment magic in the dcu and mu is a wildcard all magic users are wild cards they have potential to do things that even the meta humans and cosmics cant by manipulating the laws of the universe because isnt that what magic is and so Strange defied the normal cosmic balance thats why the spectre is after magic in the first place because it does not abhear to the normal order of things Spectre has no such problems with cosmic entities or magic entities even ones greater then strange if LT cant even defeat Strange while Spectre is taking on all magic by himself not just one single being but ALL combined magic how much more powerful do you think he is then LT alot more powerful.
Originally posted by Mider
thats not what i ment magic in the dcu and mu is a wildcard all magic users are wild cards they have potential to do things that even the meta humans and cosmics cant by manipulating the laws of the universe because isnt that what magic is and so Strange defied the normal cosmic balance thats why the spectre is after magic in the first place because it does not abhear to the normal order of things Spectre has no such problems with cosmic entities or magic entities even ones greater then strange if LT cant even defeat Strange while Spectre is taking on all magic by himself not just one single being but ALL combined magic how much more powerful do you think he is then LT alot more powerful.
When couldn't LT defeat Strange?
Strange with Ancient One's powers couldn't defeat Zom; LT did. Zom was sh!tting in his pants because LT was coming and knocked Strange on his a$$ for causing LT's coming.
Strange broke some spells LT casted, not LT's own powers. Strange still couldn't do a thing but plead for time to correct his errors.
If there's another showing of LT not being able to beat Strange, let me know.
Both Strange and the Ancient One team up to stop Zom, only to be ensnared by the Seven Bands of Cyttorak. Though his hands were still bound, he still manages to fuse the Ancient One into a stone tablet, killing the Ancient One but not before AO transfers his powers to Strange and warns him about Zom's forelock (that pony tail or whatever of Zom).
Even with AO's powers, Strange is still on the defensive.
Strange manages to ripe off the forelock (hair) of Zom, only thing Strange is able to accomplish.
Zom's knows thunderclap. Still, that didn't keep him from sh!tting in his pants at LT's arrive.
No, it's not Strange that beats Zom; it's LT - in his first appearance.
oh and the same superman who who is part of the same jla who couldnt defeat the power of one fifth dimension imp while Spectre pretty much dismantled the entire diemsion that Spectre yes im talking about that same one who's powers grow have you not read when he fought nabu i couldnt beat you before i wasnt strong enough but now i am and he said that wasnt me that was dr fate but now your dealing with nabu the most powerful lord of order or something to that affect was said no in those exact words but yes.
Originally posted by Mider
oh and the same superman who who is part of the same jla who couldnt defeat the power of one fifth dimension imp while Spectre pretty much dismantled the entire diemsion that Spectre
So? Cube Beings and Poppupians can do what Imps does as well. They're still beneath LT and Eternity.
As for Superman, he's rid Mxy without much but trickery.
yes im talking about that same one who's powers grow have you not read when he fought nabu i couldnt beat you before i wasnt strong enough but now i am and he said that wasnt me that was dr fate but now your dealing with nabu the most powerful lord of order or something to that affect was said no in those exact words but yes.
And how powerful is Nabu and Shazam? What's Shazam done that Odin couldn't? You wanna bring up Nabu? Agamotto, Oshtur, Hoggoth, Dormammu, or Shuma Gorath can match Nabu or beat him in power. They're still beneath LT.
and you have what proof that he can be defeated by them you just admitted that shazam hasnt done anything odin couldnt meaning he is at least his level how much stronger is nabu being even more powerful then shazaam and i wasnt refering to that imp and it was tricerky not power i was refuering to emperor joker who totally screwed up the world and other planets at that killing people and bringing them back your the one who brought up darkseid and such one imp may very well be higher then galactus what is his limit of power i dont know but the whole race combined would own eternity thats not a big maybe its a probability but Spectre defeated the whole dimension and not only that one but the DCU's combined magic if LT gets defied by one sorcerer and Spectre can take out 700 like a joke you really think LT could defeat him?
Originally posted by Mider
and you have what proof that he can be defeated by them you just admitted that shazam hasnt done anything odin couldnt meaning he is at least his level how much stronger is nabu being even more powerful then shazaam and i wasnt refering to that imp and it was tricerky not power i was refuering to emperor joker who totally screwed up the world and other planets at that killing people and bringing them back your the one who brought up darkseid and such one imp may very well be higher then galactus what is his limit of power i dont know but the whole race combined would own eternity thats not a big maybe its a probability but Spectre defeated the whole dimension and not only that one but the DCU's combined magic if LT gets defied by one sorcerer and Spectre can take out 700 like a joke you really think LT could defeat him?
First off, when has Strange affected LT in any way? Did Strange do anything to LT?
Secondly, Shazam defied Spectre. Heck, they fought panels after panels before Spectre decided to absorb Shazam's powers.
Captain Marvel has defied Spectre.
I'm thinking of an Official Spectre Disrespect Thread. Seriously, Spectre is a throbbing pussy with an impressive title.
DOV: A 17 year old ex-hooker took Spectre out.
Dr.Fate was able to halt Spectre's will.
A weakened Shazam gave him a good fight.
Captian Marvel, while being boosted....by humans....could have killed Spectre....🤨
The mother****ing Psycho Pirate OWNED Spectre. Psycho Pirate?!!!
Spectre is the least powerful uber entity of them all. Nothing I couldn't see Franklin Ritchards do.
DOV: A 17 year old ex-hooker took Spectre out.
--Oh yah, how much damage did she do? That's right... None. At one point did even an 'ouch' or a 'you almost beat me' come out Spectre? I recall nothing of the sort, but Spectre telling her how futile it was. Claiming her as a defeat over Spectre is like claiming Dr Strange over the IG and King Thor, etc.
Dr.Fate was able to halt Spectre's will.
--When was this? Spectre mashed him out in Day of Vengence, and also in Year One, and also beat Nabu, who tried to protect Saddam and Gammorah, and also again in Day Of Vengence Special when he killed him. And in Day of Judgement, none stood against him.
A weakened Shazam gave him a good fight.
--Spectre toyed with him. Plain and simply.
Captian Marvel, while being boosted....by humans....could have killed Spectre....🤨
--Humans? My ass. Reread it, entire pantheons of gods, every hero/villain on Earth [Which as we know also powered Anti-Monitor enough to 'replace the hand that made the universe' in COIE], pretty much every human, and even insinuated that it went BEYOND that. And of course the power of Shazam, and still couldn't put him down for the count.
Fact is, there is ONE known weapon that can actually defeat Spectre, and it's even never worked to put him down and out. And that's The Spear of Destiny.
In Day of Vengence, Spectre won. In COIE, Spectre won. In Zero Hour, Spectre won. In every Crisis, they depend on him. And it's impressive that he has to continually save everyone's asses, when a equivelent of pretty much every Marvel cosmic exists on DCEarth. For a guy as pussy as you're acting like he is, he still does seem to be absolute in the end.
