Ultimate Colossus vs 616 Juggernaut

Looked like he was struggling to me he could barley lift it.

Powers and Abilities
Until recent times, the Juggernaut possessed a variety of superhuman physical abilities mystical in origin.

The Juggernaut possessed vast superhuman strength, the limits of which were never revealed. The Juggernaut's strength was sufficient for him to battle powerhouses such as Thor and the Incredible Hulk, placing his strength well into the Class 100 level, being able to lift in excess of 100 tons. Truly, only the Hulk was ever observed to be able to match the Juggernaut's nearly limitless physical strength

Aside from his incredible strength, the Juggernaut's body possessed an extraordinary degree of invulnerability to injury, allowing him to trade blows with some of the strongest heroes of the Marvel Universe. The Juggernaut could withstand high powered energy blasts, falls from great heights, exposure to temperatures greater than that of the surface of the Sun, exposure to vaccum environments, etc. without sustaining even the slightest injury The Juggernaut could increase his invulnerability to even higher levels by generating a mystical forcefield around his body. This field was sufficient to enable him to withstand powerful energy blasts from beings as powerful as the Silver Surfer, multiple blows from Thor's hammer, and Wolverine's adamantium claws.

The Juggernaut was, literally, an unstoppable force. Once in motion, whether it be running or walking, no physical force could prevent his forward momentum. His pace could be slowed considerably by powerful energy blasts, many tons of rocks, etc. but nothing completely halted his forward momentum. This is true with the one exception of his battle with the Incredible Hulk as War II where much to Juggernaut's shock he was stopped.

The mystical energies that flowed through his body were more than sufficient to sustain him. The Juggernaut no longer needed to eat, drink, or even breathe and could survive indefinitely in a vacuum. These same mystical energies also provided him with limitless physical stamina. The Juggernaut's mystically enhanced musculature generated no lactic acids.

As a vessel of mystic energy the Juggernaut also possessed many abstract powers that had yet to be fully revealed. Before getting depowered the Juggernaut had exhibitted such fantastic abilities as mystic radar to locate his enemies seemingly anywhere on the planet, and continuing to advance and fight after having his body magically disintegrated into nothing but a skeleton.

Despite his physical attributes, the Juggernaut's mind was as vulnerable to psionic attacks as the minds of ordinary humans. However, the Juggernaut's helmet was constructed of a rare, unnamed metal found only within the dimensional realm of Cyttorak. This alloy was sufficient to shield the Juggernaut's mind from all forms of psychic and telepathic assault.

Since his depowerment at the hands of Cyttorak, however, his power levels have decreased in almost every respect. He now has to breathe, eat, drink, and sleep. While he still possesses a vast level of superhuman strength, the Juggernaut isn't nearly as powerful as he once was, nor is he as invulnerable as before. It's now possible for him to feel pain and suffer injury.

Finally, he is no longer an "unstoppable force," and has been stripped of his mystical armour and telepathy-shielding helmet (instead, he wears "unstable molecule" replicas which do not replicate the telepathic shield).

If its classic Juggs then he wins 10 out of 10.

here's another article

Powers
By no means is Ultimate Colossus the equivalent his 616 counterpart for he has shown to be far stronger, and possibly the strongest being in the Ultimate Universe. Piotr has the ability to transform his body from flesh and blood into organic steel, giving him superhuman strength and making him impervious to harm. Supposedly his power has not yet fully developed because of his youth. Some say that this armor in the Ultimate continuity is stronger than adamantium, but this has not been proven yet.

In this transformed state, Colossus' body gains around a inch in additional height and his body mass is doubled. The source of Colossus' gain in height and muscle mass is unknown, but possibly extradimensional.

Ultimate Colossus possesses vast superhuman strength, the limits of which have not been revealed. Ultimate Colossus strength was sufficient for him to battle powerhouses such as Ultimate Thor, Ultimate Ironman, and Ultimate Magneto placing his strength well into the Class 100 level, being able to lift in excess of 100 tons Making him one of the most if not the most powerful being in the Ultimate Universe.

Aside from his incredible strength, Ultimate Colossus steel skin possesses an amazing degree of invulnerability to injury, allowing him to battle with some of the strongest heroes of the Ultimate Universe. Ultimate Colossus armor is so great it can withstand a direct blast from a nuke, falls from great heights, exposure to temperatures less than -320o Fahrenheit to temperatures greater than that of the surface of the Sun, exposure to vaccum environments, direct contact with molting lava, etc without sustaining injury. Being conductive, he is immune to electricity. Colossus's armored body also cannot rust. A side effect of his armor's strength enhancing effect is a vastly greater muscle efficiency than an ordinary human. While armored, his muscles generate considerably less lactic acids than those of ordinary humans, granting him superhuman levels of stamina in all activities. He can exert himself at peak capacity for several days before fatigue begins to impair him. Colossus' armored form is also invulnerable to rusting under Earthly conditions. Colossus has demonstrated no need to breathe while he is in his armored state and there's no known limit as to how long he can remain in this form.

In the Ultimate continuity, it has been shown that Colossus's eyes do not turn into steel, but instead remain organic and vulnerable (in the normal continuity, Colossus's eyes have been able to withstand a gunshot). Also, unlike the "normal" Colossus, when he is knocked unconscious he remains in whatever form he was in (See the "Hellfire and Brimstone" plotline).

Originally posted by soujaboy09
I've never read the hanbook, but it also states that Ultimate Colossus strength is lv 6 which should be lv 7, because he has surpassed 100 tons more than a couple times in the Ultimate Universe.(1) Ultimate Colossus carried a 7000 ton K-14 submarine out of the water which was full of people, and half full with water.(2) He stoped a train in it's trackes when it was full of cars.(3) he threw a 200 ton sentinel houndreds of feet in the air.(4) He stoped a Farris Wheel in its tracks.(5) Overcame Magneto's grip which exerts over 30,000 tons.

The Handbook states that Ultimate Colossus durability is lv 6 which should be 7 simply because he survived a nuke blast ,was not hurt when lava was pured on his skin, and survived all the pressure from the water when he was miles from shore.

The handbook states that Ultimate Colossus eyes stay the same when he transforms which is bull, because his eyes would have been decinegrated when the nuke went off, they would have been damaged when lava was pured on top of him, and would have popped out of his head when he was in the ocean miles from shore.

All this means the handbook is bull so dont go off what it says

The current Juggernaut is far weaker than his former self face it.

Ultiamte Colossus strength is where it needs to be for now, when he gets older he will get stronger. Ultimate Colossus passed out after brought up the submarine from under water. What ultimate colossus has done ain't shit the hulk has done sh** in his calm state that colossus can every dreamed of.

Dude do you understand what 7/7 is in durability, that means you are indestructible nothing can kill by any normal means. Majority of the eternals are 7's they can die but they comeback to life, Thanos is a seven because he is immortal banned from Death's realm same with the Elders of the Universe. Skyfathers are 7's and they can die but can be brought to life by other skyfathers, Galactus has died but has reform after his injuries. Ultimate Colossus has his limitations just like his 616 counter part there tuff but not indestructible.

Hand books are not 100% accurate there about 90%. Current Juggernaut is not the same, but he is still in class 100 7/7. Even though he lost the gem after all those years with the gem he still reatin some power. If I'm not mistaken Chuck Austin wrote that story arc after the handbook came out, Chuck Austin this is the same guy who f**ked rogue. 9/10 it's the writers not doing there homework on the characters.

If you read the handbooks it tells you why he is still in class 100 7/7, majority of the information is in the handbook just don't look at the stats read their history then you will know why he is class 100 not as strong as classic he's right below the classic juggernaut in abilities.

No Darkone I dont agree with you evrything you just put down is bullshit like Colossus passing out after he lifted the sub, well thats not possible if you dont need to breathe, and your muscles dont get tired.

Current Juggernaut as strong his former self is bullshit read the article I posted it clearly states that Juggernaut is now able to be hurt that doesn't sound like 7/7 strength to me. The handbooks are bull it's as simple as that the handbook writers need to read the comics.

If you would have looked at the picture that was posted Juggernaut couldn't even get to Colossus lv that sounds like Colossus needs to be7/7 strength.

Man get real

Originally posted by soujaboy09
No Darkone I dont agree with you evrything you just put down is bullshit like Colossus passing out after he lifted the sub, well thats not possible if you dont need to breathe, and your muscles dont get tired.

Current Juggernaut as strong his former self is bullshit read the article I posted it clearly states that Juggernaut is now able to be hurt that doesn't sound like 7/7 strength to me. The handbooks are bull it's as simple as that the handbook writers need to read the comics.

If you would have looked at the picture that was posted Juggernaut couldn't even get to Colossus lv that sounds like Colossus needs to be7/7 strength.

Man get real

And writers are not 100% accurate themselves.

By the way I have that comic issue, so thank you very.

What you are saying is bullshit, anybody who is a 7/7 in durability can be hurt depending on the being. Odin is 7/7 in durability and has been hurt before in the pass, he can fell pain but he can take more punishment then a person who is 6/7 in durability. Galactus felt pain and he is 7/7 durability and he was hit by a Thor's godforce blast. Exitar The giant Celestial felt pain when thor desdtroyed his brain dom.

What is wiht all of this handbook garabage? Their worthless.

Also like I said he lifted it and asked for more.

How much more? this guy goes of handbooks like they have all the info in them when in reality they suck. Why dont you read these articles writen by people who seem to have read the comics.

Juggernaut:
Powers and Abilities
Until recent times, the Juggernaut possessed a variety of superhuman physical abilities mystical in origin.

The Juggernaut possessed vast superhuman strength, the limits of which were never revealed. The Juggernaut's strength was sufficient for him to battle powerhouses such as Thor and the Incredible Hulk, placing his strength well into the Class 100 level, being able to lift in excess of 100 tons. Truly, only the Hulk was ever observed to be able to match the Juggernaut's nearly limitless physical strength

Aside from his incredible strength, the Juggernaut's body possessed an extraordinary degree of invulnerability to injury, allowing him to trade blows with some of the strongest heroes of the Marvel Universe. The Juggernaut could withstand high powered energy blasts, falls from great heights, exposure to temperatures greater than that of the surface of the Sun, exposure to vaccum environments, etc. without sustaining even the slightest injury The Juggernaut could increase his invulnerability to even higher levels by generating a mystical forcefield around his body. This field was sufficient to enable him to withstand powerful energy blasts from beings as powerful as the Silver Surfer, multiple blows from Thor's hammer, and Wolverine's adamantium claws.

The Juggernaut was, literally, an unstoppable force. Once in motion, whether it be running or walking, no physical force could prevent his forward momentum. His pace could be slowed considerably by powerful energy blasts, many tons of rocks, etc. but nothing completely halted his forward momentum. This is true with the one exception of his battle with the Incredible Hulk as War II where much to Juggernaut's shock he was stopped.

The mystical energies that flowed through his body were more than sufficient to sustain him. The Juggernaut no longer needed to eat, drink, or even breathe and could survive indefinitely in a vacuum. These same mystical energies also provided him with limitless physical stamina. The Juggernaut's mystically enhanced musculature generated no lactic acids.

As a vessel of mystic energy the Juggernaut also possessed many abstract powers that had yet to be fully revealed. Before getting depowered the Juggernaut had exhibitted such fantastic abilities as mystic radar to locate his enemies seemingly anywhere on the planet, and continuing to advance and fight after having his body magically disintegrated into nothing but a skeleton.

Despite his physical attributes, the Juggernaut's mind was as vulnerable to psionic attacks as the minds of ordinary humans. However, the Juggernaut's helmet was constructed of a rare, unnamed metal found only within the dimensional realm of Cyttorak. This alloy was sufficient to shield the Juggernaut's mind from all forms of psychic and telepathic assault.

Since his depowerment at the hands of Cyttorak, however, his power levels have decreased in almost every respect. He now has to breathe, eat, drink, and sleep. While he still possesses a vast level of superhuman strength, the Juggernaut isn't nearly as powerful as he once was, nor is he as invulnerable as before. It's now possible for him to feel pain and suffer injury.

Finally, he is no longer an "unstoppable force," and has been stripped of his mystical armour and telepathy-shielding helmet (instead, he wears "unstable molecule" replicas which do not replicate the telepathic shield).

Powers
By no means is Ultimate Colossus the equivalent his 616 counterpart for he has shown to be far stronger, and possibly the strongest being in the Ultimate Universe. Piotr has the ability to transform his body from flesh and blood into organic steel, giving him superhuman strength and making him impervious to harm. Supposedly his power has not yet fully developed because of his youth. Some say that this armor in the Ultimate continuity is stronger than adamantium, but this has not been proven yet.

In this transformed state, Colossus' body gains around a inch in additional height and his body mass is doubled. The source of Colossus' gain in height and muscle mass is unknown, but possibly extradimensional.

Ultimate Colossus possesses vast superhuman strength, the limits of which have not been revealed. Ultimate Colossus strength was sufficient for him to battle powerhouses such as Ultimate Thor, Ultimate Ironman, and Ultimate Magneto placing his strength well into the Class 100 level, being able to lift in excess of 100 tons Making him one of the most if not the most powerful being in the Ultimate Universe.

Aside from his incredible strength, Ultimate Colossus steel skin possesses an amazing degree of invulnerability to injury, allowing him to battle with some of the strongest heroes of the Ultimate Universe. Ultimate Colossus armor is so great it can withstand a direct blast from a nuke, falls from great heights, exposure to temperatures less than -320o Fahrenheit to temperatures greater than that of the surface of the Sun, exposure to vaccum environments, direct contact with molting lava, etc without sustaining injury. Being conductive, he is immune to electricity. Colossus's armored body also cannot rust. A side effect of his armor's strength enhancing effect is a vastly greater muscle efficiency than an ordinary human. While armored, his muscles generate considerably less lactic acids than those of ordinary humans, granting him superhuman levels of stamina in all activities. He can exert himself at peak capacity for several days before fatigue begins to impair him. Colossus' armored form is also invulnerable to rusting under Earthly conditions. Colossus has demonstrated no need to breathe while he is in his armored state and there's no known limit as to how long he can remain in this form.

In the Ultimate continuity, it has been shown that Colossus's eyes do not turn into steel, but instead remain organic and vulnerable (in the normal continuity, Colossus's eyes have been able to withstand a gunshot). Also, unlike the "normal" Colossus, when he is knocked unconscious he remains in whatever form he was in (See the "Hellfire and Brimstone" plotline).

Originally posted by soujaboy09
How much more? this guy goes of handbooks like they have all the info in them when in reality they suck. Why dont you read these articles writen by people who seem to have read the comics.

Juggernaut:
Powers and Abilities
Until recent times, the Juggernaut possessed a variety of superhuman physical abilities mystical in origin.

The Juggernaut possessed vast superhuman strength, the limits of which were never revealed. The Juggernaut's strength was sufficient for him to battle powerhouses such as Thor and the Incredible Hulk, placing his strength well into the Class 100 level, being able to lift in excess of 100 tons. Truly, only the Hulk was ever observed to be able to match the Juggernaut's nearly limitless physical strength

Aside from his incredible strength, the Juggernaut's body possessed an extraordinary degree of invulnerability to injury, allowing him to trade blows with some of the strongest heroes of the Marvel Universe. The Juggernaut could withstand high powered energy blasts, falls from great heights, exposure to temperatures greater than that of the surface of the Sun, exposure to vaccum environments, etc. without sustaining even the slightest injury The Juggernaut could increase his invulnerability to even higher levels by generating a mystical forcefield around his body. This field was sufficient to enable him to withstand powerful energy blasts from beings as powerful as the Silver Surfer, multiple blows from Thor's hammer, and Wolverine's adamantium claws.

The Juggernaut was, literally, an unstoppable force. Once in motion, whether it be running or walking, no physical force could prevent his forward momentum. His pace could be slowed considerably by powerful energy blasts, many tons of rocks, etc. but nothing completely halted his forward momentum. This is true with the one exception of his battle with the Incredible Hulk as War II where much to Juggernaut's shock he was stopped.

The mystical energies that flowed through his body were more than sufficient to sustain him. The Juggernaut no longer needed to eat, drink, or even breathe and could survive indefinitely in a vacuum. These same mystical energies also provided him with limitless physical stamina. The Juggernaut's mystically enhanced musculature generated no lactic acids.

As a vessel of mystic energy the Juggernaut also possessed many abstract powers that had yet to be fully revealed. Before getting depowered the Juggernaut had exhibitted such fantastic abilities as mystic radar to locate his enemies seemingly anywhere on the planet, and continuing to advance and fight after having his body magically disintegrated into nothing but a skeleton.

Despite his physical attributes, the Juggernaut's mind was as vulnerable to psionic attacks as the minds of ordinary humans. However, the Juggernaut's helmet was constructed of a rare, unnamed metal found only within the dimensional realm of Cyttorak. This alloy was sufficient to shield the Juggernaut's mind from all forms of psychic and telepathic assault.

Since his depowerment at the hands of Cyttorak, however, his power levels have decreased in almost every respect. He now has to breathe, eat, drink, and sleep. While he still possesses a vast level of superhuman strength, the Juggernaut isn't nearly as powerful as he once was, nor is he as invulnerable as before. It's now possible for him to feel pain and suffer injury.

Finally, he is no longer an "unstoppable force," and has been stripped of his mystical armour and telepathy-shielding helmet (instead, he wears "unstable molecule" replicas which do not replicate the telepathic shield).

Powers
By no means is Ultimate Colossus the equivalent his 616 counterpart for he has shown to be far stronger, and possibly the strongest being in the Ultimate Universe. Piotr has the ability to transform his body from flesh and blood into organic steel, giving him superhuman strength and making him impervious to harm. Supposedly his power has not yet fully developed because of his youth. Some say that this armor in the Ultimate continuity is stronger than adamantium, but this has not been proven yet.

In this transformed state, Colossus' body gains around a inch in additional height and his body mass is doubled. The source of Colossus' gain in height and muscle mass is unknown, but possibly extradimensional.

Ultimate Colossus possesses vast superhuman strength, the limits of which have not been revealed. Ultimate Colossus strength was sufficient for him to battle powerhouses such as Ultimate Thor, Ultimate Ironman, and Ultimate Magneto placing his strength well into the Class 100 level, being able to lift in excess of 100 tons Making him one of the most if not the most powerful being in the Ultimate Universe.

Aside from his incredible strength, Ultimate Colossus steel skin possesses an amazing degree of invulnerability to injury, allowing him to battle with some of the strongest heroes of the Ultimate Universe. Ultimate Colossus armor is so great it can withstand a direct blast from a nuke, falls from great heights, exposure to temperatures less than -320o Fahrenheit to temperatures greater than that of the surface of the Sun, exposure to vaccum environments, direct contact with molting lava, etc without sustaining injury. Being conductive, he is immune to electricity. Colossus's armored body also cannot rust. A side effect of his armor's strength enhancing effect is a vastly greater muscle efficiency than an ordinary human. While armored, his muscles generate considerably less lactic acids than those of ordinary humans, granting him superhuman levels of stamina in all activities. He can exert himself at peak capacity for several days before fatigue begins to impair him. Colossus' armored form is also invulnerable to rusting under Earthly conditions. Colossus has demonstrated no need to breathe while he is in his armored state and there's no known limit as to how long he can remain in this form.

In the Ultimate continuity, it has been shown that Colossus's eyes do not turn into steel, but instead remain organic and vulnerable (in the normal continuity, Colossus's eyes have been able to withstand a gunshot). Also, unlike the "normal" Colossus, when he is knocked unconscious he remains in whatever form he was in (See the "Hellfire and Brimstone" plotline).

Dude you must be really bored it's only comics, get a life.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Dude you must be really bored it's only comics, get a life.

asking someone to get a life while posting on in Internet message boards devoted to comics and watching comic book characters fight is well....

I want to say stupid and idiotic but I know there is a better word for someone like you out there.

but since I can't think of one right now I'll just call you an Idiot.

This is a comic board so um plese tell me what i'm suppose to post about?

Originally posted by Jose123
asking someone to get a life while posting on in Internet message boards devoted to comics and watching comic book characters fight is well....

I want to say stupid and idiotic but I know there is a better word for someone like you out there.

but since I can't think of one right now I'll just call you an Idiot.

If I'm an idiot than your a jacka$$. The threads are my opinions if you cant' take that then you need to see Dr. Phil! asap.

Originally posted by the Darkone
If I'm an idiot than your a jacka$$. The threads are my opinions if you cant' take that then you need to see Dr. Phil! asap.

Yep idiot.

This dudes upset looks like he's the one who needs to see Dr. Phil.

Originally posted by soujaboy09
This dudes upset looks like he's the one who needs to see Dr. Phil.

Sorry disappoint I'm fine, your not 😄.

BTW juggernaut still wins 😄

Ya we know we've been saying that the whole time ✅

Originally posted by the Darkone
Sorry disappoint I'm fine, your not 😄.

BTW juggernaut still wins 😄

You're right. Juggernaut wins...the guy always wins...he is simply the strongest physical super-human ever to exist. End of story.

We've already established that what I was saying is that the match wouldn't be as easy as you think.

Originally posted by soujaboy09
We've already established that what I was saying is that the match wouldn't be as easy as you think.