Originally posted by mtryderHow do I say "Duh," without sounding rude?
It's an interesting thought, though, with a kernel of truth I figure. When Dooku first left, I would like to believe that it was a sincere move on his part to leave behind the ineffective bureaucracy and possible corruption of the Jedi Order in order to seek his own destiny. Along the way, however, he was clearly seduced to the Dark Side.
Dooku was a Sith Lord, but that's just a title unlike Sidious, Maul and Vader he was not that corrupted by the Dark Side, that's also why his eyes stayed normal and didn't turn red/Yellow like with the others. You have to be a true Sith Lord to have those eyes. Dooku was more a political leader...he was not really after the destruction of the Jedi. Sure because of him a lot were killed in the war, but that's what war is. The Jedi became military targets but to Dooku they were not the enemies like Sidious saw them. Sidious was after revenge, Dooku wasn't.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Ah geez, how can you say that thing against the background of GL specifically making him a full and proper Sith Lord? Forget about the damn eyes- they were simply not stylisitically appropriate for him.
I agree with that the eyes would not look good on Christopher Lee...it would almost be ridiculous! But that doesn't take the rest away what I said. Did Dooku have as much rage as the rest had. Did Dooku really show expressions of hate on his face, no...he's not a proper Sith...he's a political leader which was good for the war. Dooku was a good apprentice but Sidious knew he would be replaced by Anakin.
Dooku was a practioner of the Dark Side, and a Sith Lord. He had abilities which are only affiliated with the Dark. He did things that were affiliated only with the Dark.
In this sense, he can be argued to be similar to Revan, only going Sith to save the galaxy, or in this case, stop a corrupt galaxy. But this isn't a Revan discussion, so...
He DID turn to the Dark Side, but like Ush said, Christopher Lee's character just doesn't suit the physical traits and personalitly that say, Anakin or Palpatine has. That's why he's so calm, never yells, didn't even make a sound when he lost his hands, never begged, did NOTHING out Lee's expected persona.
master of what might i ask.... 😕
and the whole eyes thing, somebody said you have to be a sith to get the change in eye pigment....WRONG!, vader was only ever a DARK JEDI, NOT a SITH. as someone else pointed out.
The reason he was on the record as being dark and not sith was because he was always fighting inside himself, having doubts about his chosen course. also the fact that in the end of the sega, he redeemed himself and joined all the gang in the halls of the jedi.
and i think the reason dooku's body was not effected was because he was a n00b in the sith ranks, sure he was a darth and sure he swung some electricity around but did he during fights or in his spare time use another sith or other wise helpful force powers, no i don't think so ( correct me if in wrong there 👆 ), also if he did he would not even have to bother fighting ani and obi in ROTS because he would have used force comprehension during there first fight in AOTC, and own in ROTS.
also during the Ariel pursuit in AOTC, during which padme falls and ani has to be put in his place, why did dooku not use force Storm and wipe out the plane.
im sure if i looked and the DVD's again id come back with heaps of the same instance.
Dooku is just not as consumed by the Dark Side as the others. The others believed more in the Sith ideals...Dooku believed more in something else and that is restoring the galaxy altho in his own hard way...Being a Sith is like being addicted to drugs...You're addicted to the Dark Side, both Maul and Vader were slaves, Dooku wasn't. He was more a pawn. Altho they both don't appear as slaves they knew they were slaves. This is very much reveiled in ROTJ, where Vader had no choice but fighting his son. Some wonder when he began to feel sympathy for his son, that only happened when Luke started dying by the emperor's hands. Vader was selfish through out the entire film until then.
Sure there was good in him. But you had to search deep to find it. But eventually Luke did. I guess the only true Sith in the Star Wars saga are Maul and Sidious. For a moment Darth Vader was in ROTS. He had nothing but hatred and was selfish to the bottem until he came back to his senses in the medical lab on Coruscant where he learns about Padmé's death and began to hate himself.
We never got to learn who Maul originally was, but this is also important when you become a Sith. Maybe even the most important. It's like your soul dying. Like Obi-Wan said "...when that happened the good man who was your father was destroyed" Yoda said "The boy you trained, gone is he, consumed by Darth Vader"
Dooku wasn't consumed by Darth Tyranus. Maul was consumed by his Sith identity. He totally forgot who he was as did Anakin altho he didn't realise it that he was dying. When you see the funeral of Padmé, you see Anakin getting carried to the medical lab. Those represent two funerals, the one of Padmé and Anakin. Anakin died, Vader was born. That is why he looks so young as a ghost in ROTJ
But Dooku wasn't consumed by his Sith identity. He kept his identity, because he knew it would be useful. As a true Sith he wouldn't have kept his identity even if it was useful.
You say Sidious did the same, wrong. Sidious used the name Palpatine, but was always Darth Sidious. Count Dooku was always Count Dooku.
Those are some good points, but I must correct a few.
Padme was giving birth when Vader was going into rehab, she died after that, Anakin had already been strolled in.
Palpatine was always known as Palpatine, and always would be known as Palpatine. So very few knew his Sith identity. I'm pretty sure when he was born, he was named Darth Sidious.
Dooku was one of the rare Sith who was not wholly consumed by the Dark, nor did he fully immerse himself into Sith teachings, but he did so enough to earn him the title of "Sith Lord."
yeah you right, it didn't happen the same time, but still the carrying of Anakin in the rehab represents his funeral.
Palpatine was probably the name he always had and Darth Sidious the name he got from his master Darth Plagueis. But he was always known as Palpatine, true but remember what Darth Vader said to Luke "That name no longer has any mean to me" Same with Palpatine in my theory. In his own he was Darth Sidious, to the people he was known as Emperor Palpatine.
And yes he earned the title of Sith Lord...it has been granted to him by Darth Sidious himself, the master, but does that make you a true Sith...afteral it is just a title. Being one is different.
If that were the case, you'd think Dooku would've presented Assaj Ventress and Quinlon Vos with Sith Title, to "boost their confidence in their own abilities." I have a hard time seeing a reason why Dooku would take up an apprenticeship to the Dark Lord, earn himself a Sith Title, and do the menacing stuff a Sith does, just to not actually become a Sith.