superman vs hulk and juggy

Originally posted by inamilist
the authors of the series took huge liberties with the abilities of the characters, especially the ones only used in minor roles (like Juggs)

i dont think supes could really do that, but the fight isnt going to be strength on strength. Superman is intelligent enough to know how to defeat the two of them without it devolving into a fistfight (wich i say he loses)

Originally posted by juggy#1
hulk was knocking the crap out of superman and superman would have been down for good if jugg was behind him knocking the crap out of him both at once. no way in hell he can survive

you are correct, if hulk and juggs pinned superman into a corner and beat him he would die.

but superman has fought a bajillion enemies who have reletivley similar abilities to hulk and juggernaut. No, the fight would make for a horrible read, but at the very least, superman could just float at a mile high and neither of them could hurt him.

There is only one way Superman loses this one and that is bad writing. Given his speed Superman could send both of them sailing into space before they even know what is going on. The problem is that this makes for boring fights so writer often have Superman slug it out with much slower characters and ignor is superior speed. In that case, heck if Doomsday could kill Big Blue, Hulk and Juggy have a shot. But if assume Superman fights to the best of his ability, then he wins.

Superman in DC/Marvel was also significantly weaker than he is now. He wasn't as fast, strong or durable as he is now.
You'll also notice, Superman was LETTING Hulk hit him and talk to him, then said "Enough" and it was over in one punch. Likewise Juggs didn't even see him coming in the same crossover and got downed him in a couple punches
But either way, it's not a viable source for these discussions, as seen in the FORUM RULES.
Now, if you think Hulk or Juggernaut can deal with Superman, tell HOW he will do it.
By the time they throw a punch, he can be anywhere inside of our solar system with a dodge. They simply can't move fast enough.

Originally posted by inamilist
you are correct, if hulk and juggs pinned superman into a corner and beat him he would die.

but superman has fought a bajillion enemies who have reletivley similar abilities to hulk and juggernaut. No, the fight would make for a horrible read, but at the very least, superman could just float at a mile high and neither of them could hurt him.

Originally posted by juggy#1
clap clap clap clap clappingclapping yay finally somone gets it. thats what i was saying in the 1st place that he cant take them down both at one time. only one on one. look what i put at the begining of the thread.

It's not happening.

Originally posted by StyleTime
The problem is actually getting Superman into that corner.

It's not happening.

Originally posted by juggy#1
clap clap clap clap clappingclapping yay finally somone gets it. thats what i was saying in the 1st place that he cant take them down both at one time. only one on one. look what i put at the begining of the thread.

he can, just not in close combat

*superman flys in at lightspeed and picks up hulk, throwing him out of the atmosphere, provided he doesnt burn up on re-entry, he is at least ko on impact, provided superman doesnt just throw him hard enought to send him into orbit. He then flies down and does the same to juggernaut*

if you can come up with how they are able to get around that i would be really interested.

Originally posted by inamilist
he can, just not in close combat

*superman flys in at lightspeed and picks up hulk, throwing him out of the atmosphere, provided he doesnt burn up on re-entry, he is at least ko on impact, provided superman doesnt just throw him hard enought to send him into orbit. He then flies down and does the same to juggernaut*

if you can come up with how they are able to get around that i would be really interested.

Even together they wouldn't pose a threat to Superman. They are both too one sided. All they have is strength and duribility going for them. How would either ever hit someone who is nearly as fast as the Flash? They wouldn't.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Even together they wouldn't pose a threat to Superman. They are both too one sided. All they have is strength and duribility going for them. How would either ever hit someone who is nearly as fast as the Flash? They wouldn't.

if venom can do that to superman then of course hulk and juggy

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/VenomandSuperman.jpg

Originally posted by juggy#1
superman didnt do a really good job of doing that against hulk. superman went flying right at hulk. and hulk knockd the F out of him big time. superman was down on the ground but yes he got back up and all that.

but in that same series superman beats juggernaut with one punch, and there is a frame of the Phil Urich Green Goblin (im a super nerd) fighting the green lantern... and lets be honest.... neither of those add up.

its best just to assume that universe spanning crossovers are not used to determine who would beat who, especially in an event where readers determined the outcome with their votes. The only reason that supes didnt just annialihate hulk was they needed it to look good for the readers.

That is called piss-pore writing. Does it seem right to you that a guy that can fly at near light speed, is grabbed by either of thoes two?
As I wrote above, if they fight to the best of everyones ability Superman is just too fast.

Originally posted by inamilist
but in that same series superman beats juggernaut with one punch, and there is a frame of the Phil Urich Green Goblin (im a super nerd) fighting the green lantern... and lets be honest.... neither of those add up.

its best just to assume that universe spanning crossovers are not used to determine who would beat who, especially in an event where readers determined the outcome with their votes. The only reason that supes didnt just annialihate hulk was they needed it to look good for the readers.

Originally posted by TheKahn
That is called piss-pore writing. Does it seem right to you that a guy that can fly at near light speed, is grabbed by either of thoes two?
As I wrote above, if they fight to the best of everyones ability Superman is just too fast.

The same reason that people buy any comic: they are fans of the characters or they want to see characters meet that otherwise wouldn't. However, people would be mistaken to think that the fights are legitimate bouts as several compromises are made to satisify both compainies and the outcomes are long decided before the comic is written. Crossovers are fun, but misleading.

Originally posted by juggy#1
if venom is fast enough to grab him then yes hulk and jugg. did u look at the pic. ?

id say its the same as marvel vs DC

id LOVE to believe venom could rock superman. I love venom and HATE superman. but, its not going to happen.

I think it might be a little more balanced since Venom has the spider sense (i think) and is more mobile, but then supes just switches to heat vision and melts the symbiote off eddie, or mac... or whoever..

Originally posted by TheKahn
The same reason that people buy any comic: they are fans of the characters or they want to see characters meet that otherwise wouldn't. However, people would be mistaken to think that the fights are legitimate bouts as several compromises are made to satisify both compainies and the outcomes are long decided before the comic is written. Crossovers are fun, but misleading.

Originally posted by inamilist
id say its the same as marvel vs DC

id LOVE to believe venom could rock superman. I love venom and HATE superman. but, its not going to happen.

I think it might be a little more balanced since Venom has the spider sense (i think) and is more mobile, but then supes just switches to heat vision and melts the symbiote off eddie, or mac... or whoever..