Wolverine can press roughly 2 tons, however some of that is attributed to his skeleton and healing factor. The post does say that his speed and atrength remain the same though. I think that Cap is the more agile one here. I mean he does train everyday to enhanced all his stats. Plus he doesn't tire and he and Wolverine are roughly the same with fighting skills. W/ his powers Wolverine gets beat 8/10 times but with them he wins 8/10 thimes
Originally posted by soujaboy09
But dont base what you believe of those numbers. Wolverine has not shown to be stronger than Cap so I dont no why they put it down like that.
thats ridiculous
if anything THESE are the numbers we should be working with
the OFFICIAL stats that the creators/editors at marvel have determined
our opinions are not as valid as these, frankly
however, numbers ALONE dont dictate a fight
Originally posted by inamilist
thats ridiculousif anything THESE are the numbers we should be working with
the OFFICIAL stats that the creators/editors at marvel have determined
our opinions are not as valid as these, frankly
however, numbers ALONE dont dictate a fight
It seems the creator/editors at Marvel dont read much comics. They are usually inaccurate and misleading. Its better to go by the comics themselves than to base winners by their stats.
Wolverine has never benched 2 tons that im aware of. Like ive stated before, someone needs to show Wolvie benching over 1,000 lbs and curling over 500 to be considered stronger than Cap.
Originally posted by inamilist
thats ridiculousif anything THESE are the numbers we should be working with
the OFFICIAL stats that the creators/editors at marvel have determined
our opinions are not as valid as these, frankly
however, numbers ALONE dont dictate a fight
Since they are the writers, they probably SHOULD be the stuff we work with, but they've proven horribly inaccurate a few too many times. The "fighting skills" rating is inaccurate for a lot of people, (Shang Chi and Daredevil have 6's...) and the speed rating is often misleading too, because anyone who can teleport over a great distance automatically gets a 7. Many people have their strength underestimated, and the rankings are sometimes much too broad. Wolverine and Spiderman both have the same number on their strength, but Spiderman is MUCH stronger (the range for a 4 is 800 lbs to 20 tons, I believe)
Originally posted by Dizzle
Since they are the writers, they probably SHOULD be the stuff we work with, but they've proven horribly inaccurate a few too many times. The "fighting skills" rating is inaccurate for a lot of people, (Shang Chi and Daredevil have 6's...) and the speed rating is often misleading too, because anyone who can teleport over a great distance automatically gets a 7. Many people have their strength underestimated, and the rankings are sometimes much too broad. Wolverine and Spiderman both have the same number on their strength, but Spiderman is MUCH stronger (the range for a 4 is 800 lbs to 20 tons, I believe)
i also compleatly agree, i must have given the wrong impression by posting the stats like this
in this example it was more or less to show they are essentially equal at the base with minor fluxuations. By no means do i think this would determine the outcomes of a fight.
its unfortunate that they are inaccurate... one would assume they would know....
my appologies 🙂
Originally posted by jrodslam
It seems the creator/editors at Marvel dont read much comics. They are usually inaccurate and misleading. Its better to go by the comics themselves than to base winners by their stats.Wolverine has never benched 2 tons that im aware of. Like ive stated before, someone needs to show Wolvie benching over 1,000 lbs and curling over 500 to be considered stronger than Cap.
In his 35 years Wolverine has never benched anything in any comic, so we have to judge on random strength feats. Cap is slightly stronger then normal Wolverine while berserker rage Wolverine is slightly stronger then Cap.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Shang Chi and DD have 5's, Dizzle.
DAMMIT! There goes the entire credebility of my rant. I knew they were way the hell lower than they deserve. (both of them should have like... 8's... Shang Chi is freaking Shiva) Oh well. It was based on a misunderstanding anyway, so screw it.
Originally posted by Dizzle
DAMMIT! There goes the entire credebility of my rant. I knew they were way the hell lower than they deserve. (both of them should have like... 8's... Shang Chi is freaking Shiva) Oh well. It was based on a misunderstanding anyway, so screw it.
Actually in terms of pure skill he is better then Shiva is. Shiva like Batgirl has the ability to read a persons body language and movements... and even with that Richard Dragon would have killed her if he had been pulled off her (and he was hardly in his best shape during their fight) with out it she likely wouldn't be a match for Batman let alone the likes of Shang Chi or Dragon.
Anyway the combat rating in the hand guides goes by the amount of martial arts the character has learned and not how pure skill (unless they equate the two) and it is a common misconception that Shang Chi is only a master of Fung Fu when infact he (like his father) has mastered every known fighting style.
Originally posted by Whatup880088
there a few errors in ur post
strength does not go to captain america though it the clossest stat captain has to wolverine it is in fact under wolverine. captain ahs peakhuman strength well wolverine has enchanced or also call superhuman strength.
as for agility and reflex wolverine edge is even greater here. captain no slotch but he not agile or has fast enough reflexes to fallow some one such as spiderman in a fight like wolverine can.
then u have stamina which captain may ahve an advantage if wolverine doe snot have his healing factor but if wolverine does have his healing factor captain is a good deal behind him in stamina. captain stamina is a good 2 or 3 levels behind wolverines. captain has peakhuman stamina as stated in(HandbookMarvelMasterEdition02-03)
also then u add in wolverines hyper sense which like daredevils allows him to prodict his opponets moves would give wolverine a huge advantage.
Did we just find a close relative of wolverine8888 here? Or his split personality?
Captain America edges him out in speed and agility actually, while I believe they're equal in strength (Wolverine being peak human and all).
Reflexes equal. Fighting skills might as well be equal.
Stamina is a tough subject, since Cap doesn't tire, but Wolverine has the healing factor. If the fight lasts for days, Cap will still be fresh, while Wolvie would have to wait for his healing factor to make him fresh again. Basically what I'm saying is that Cap will always be fighting 100%, while Wolverine will eventually do the same, after some healing. This time that it takes will be Wolvie's weakness in battle. And Cap will definitely go out of his way to exploit it.
Cap 6.5/10.
Strength Level: Captain America represents the pinnacle of human physical perfection. While not superhuman, he is as strong as a human being can be. He can lift (press) a maximum of 800 pounds with supreme effort.
Strength Level: While Wolverine may be of an advanced age, he possesses the normal human strength of a man in his prime with his height and build who engages in intensive regular exercise. While possessing the adamantium skeleton, Wolverine's strength was increased to the human maximum, making him capable of lifting (pressing) 800 lbs.
(sorce :marvel directory.com)
without the adamantium captin america would scrape him.