Tourture Ban: Meaningless

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Deano has also preached that Bush is powerless. Now if he believes bush is powerles, then he should not also believe that Bush is creating anything, that would mean he had power, which apparently he doesn't.

See the problem?

And bush doesn't need a back door to circumvent anything, he just does it. He wants to invade a country? He does it. He wants to listen to private citizens conversations? He does it. He wants to ignore an international decision regarding the Canadian/American softwood dispute? He does it.

Originally posted by KidX
Which, again, Deano preaches...

So basically you are saying that Deano has covered his ass by preaching both that Bush has the power to act in such a manner, and by preaching that Bush is a powerless figurehead controlled by the illuminati. And you are completely cool with someone having completely divergent opinons on the exact same subject depending on how they want to make their point?

and to top it all off, the invasion of iran is on the elites agenda. they will be using america and bush for this obviously.
more future threads on bush surely to come on that subject from kmc members.

yes bush is dumb, evil and worthless, he doesnt give a crap about americans. he is told what to do and he does it, does it to serve the elites agenda. i cant understand why people are so ignorant of this and continue to post as if they think he is in charge.

and the fact that people like kidrock and others allow this evil government to continue. once america is under total control and enslaved, it will spread to the world, and then the bastards have won.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Deano has also preached that Bush is powerless. Now if he believes bush is powerles, then he should not also believe that Bush is creating anything, that would mean he had power, which apparently he doesn't.

See the problem?

And bush doesn't need a back door to circumvent anything, he just does it. He wants to invade a country? He does it. He wants to listen to private citizens conversations? He does it. He wants to ignore an international decision regarding the Canadian/American softwood dispute? He does it.

well in a way he is creating something, because you allow him to deliever out the goals of the elite.

repeat after me...'he does what he is told'
and if u dont then u get thrown out the picture, eg jfk

Originally posted by KharmaDog
So basically you are saying that Deano has covered his ass by preaching both that Bush has the power to act in such a manner, and by preaching that Bush is a powerless figurehead controlled by the illuminati. And you are completely cool with someone having completely divergent opinons on the exact same subject depending on how they want to make their point?

(Yes, I know that smiley doesn't exist... yet.)

Originally posted by Deano
and to top it all off, the invasion of iran is on the elites agenda. they will be using america and bush for this obviously.
more future threads on bush surely to come on that subject from kmc members.

yes bush is dumb, evil and worthless, he doesnt give a crap about americans. he is told what to do and he does it, does it to serve the elites agenda. i cant understand why people are so ignorant of this and continue to post as if they think he is in charge.

and the fact that people like kidrock and others allow this evil government to continue. once america is under total control and enslaved, it will spread to the world, and then the bastards have won.

This truly is a scary post. No joke, it's the type of thing that you'd expect to hear a homeless man carrying a plackard that reads "THE END IS NEAR " shout out in the middle of the street.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
This truly is a scary post. No joke, it's the type of thing that you'd expect to hear a homeless man carrying a plackard that reads "THE END IS NEAR " shout out in the middle of the street.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
This truly is a scary post. No joke, it's the type of thing that you'd expect to hear a homeless man carrying a plackard that reads "THE END IS NEAR " shout out in the middle of the street.

it will be the end . and scarily you seem happy about it.

Originally posted by Deano
it will be the end . and scarily you seem happy about it.

Please quote exactly where you surmised that I would be happy about it?

Yes, torture bans are meaningless. There's been a ban on torture for decades, but we're still talking about it, aren't we?

Well, not meaningless, but useless. That's a better word.

How does one define torture?

I'm not asking this as some sort of stupid question that requires a dictionary.com fed answer. I'm asking this as a legitimate question: what do you consider torture?

I consider torture the cause of physical pain to another in order to gain information. Thus, I do not consider the use of sodium pentothal torture and readily condone its use. (Of course, it's not JUST physical pain; I'm not getting into the "your family will be killed if you don't tell us what we want to know, watch me cut your daughter" kind of things.)

I think all forms of torture--in my terms, that is--are appalling and should never be used...unless as a last resort. Suppose we were to have a situation like in that movie where a group of neo-Nazis pit the Russians against the Americans, almost sparking another world war (the name completely evades me at the moment; it came out shortly before K-19: The Widowmaker). Suppose we have a situation where terrorists have placed a nuclear weapon in a place where it will kill thousands of people (I believe it was in a stadium in the movie). And it's on a timer.

Would any means necessary to extract the location of this bomb be acceptable? If not, thousands of innocents will perish. If so, someone has committed a crime against humanity.

I hate to say it--I really and truly hate to--but I would turn a blind eye to torture in this case. Could I be the torturer? No. An evil act, even for the greater good, is still evil, especially one as despicable as torture. However, as hypocritical as it might seem, I would allow another to torture one of the terrorists to get the information.

I would probably never forgive myself for that deed, but I would never forgive myself for choosing to let so many perish, either.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Yes, torture bans are meaningless. There's been a ban on torture for decades, but we're still talking about it, aren't we?

Well, not meaningless, but useless. That's a better word.

you forgot to say "i told you so PVS"

i stand humbly corrected

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Please quote exactly where you surmised that I would be happy about it?

you come across that way as you poke fun at every opportunity while not taking anything seriously because you havent got the guts to agree with any anything i say cos you obviously are full of pride.

surely you can see the future panned out in your brain. what do you think will happen?

great, its become another deano/iche thread 😖

I think my post was legitimate.

Maybe, just maybe, it's about time the US diluted the power the president possesses, maybe like splitting the head of government and head of state parts of it. Or just putting some safe guards in check.

Still is it the Bill of rights that has the thing protecting US citizens from cruel and unusual punishments? Never a good sign when the head of a nation begins to ignore the concepts that supposedly enshrine the nations spirit. But of course it can easily be said that it's nothing new, Bush has always done that. Though always to protect the American people (snort, snicker.)

and to top it all off, the invasion of iran is on the elites agenda. they will be using america and bush for this obviously.
more future threads on bush surely to come on that subject from kmc members.

I don't know, I don't see this happening anytime soon. Bush and the US used up their "go to war free"card with Iraq. I don't see how they could muster the support, internationally or domestically to go after Iran, especially with the popularity dive the Iraq war has taken.

And besides, with US troops likely to be held up in Iraq for at least a couple more years Bush should very nearly be out of office by that time.

Originally posted by Deano
you come across that way as you poke fun at every opportunity while not taking anything seriously because you havent got the guts to agree with any anything i say cos you obviously are full of pride.

I said post a quote, not your impressions regarding my responses to you contradicting yourself or seriously talking about how lizard people are trying to control the world or other such nonsense.

I don't disagree with you because I am afraid to (and what a spastic sort of logic that is) I often disagree with you because I find much of your conspiracy nonsense to be a blight on KMC.

Originally posted by Deano
surely you can see the future panned out in your brain. what do you think will happen?

Surely? Well, no. I lack the clairvoyance that you so obviously have when it comes to predicting the future.

By the way, I addressed the Iran issue a long time ago in my "Pack up the truck, we're going to Iran" thread.

Originally posted by Deano
i thought u loved america 🙄

Oh..I was talking about the UK..you know how US runs the UK and all. I could care less about you guys 😛

Originally posted by Deano
and to top it all off, the invasion of iran is on the elites agenda. they will be using america and bush for this obviously.
more future threads on bush surely to come on that subject from kmc members.

yes bush is dumb, evil and worthless, he doesnt give a crap about americans. he is told what to do and he does it, does it to serve the elites agenda. i cant understand why people are so ignorant of this and continue to post as if they think he is in charge.

and the fact that people like kidrock and others allow this evil government to continue. once america is under total control and enslaved, it will spread to the world, and then the bastards have won.

I STILL cant tell if Deano is serious about all this or if he has just been pulling out legs the whole time. I just really cant understand how someone can type what Deano just did and be serious about it. I think he is just trying to start flame wars.

Originally posted by KidRock
Oh..I was talking about the UK..you know how US runs the UK and all. I could care less about you guys 😛

I know some English people who would be very sad to hear that.

If it's true maybe the English should have A War of Independence, American style, and push Bush back into the ocean (I assume he can't swim)