Originally posted by BeyonderToo bad Krona, a single Guardian, destroyed many universes then invaded MU and destroyed Galactus effortlessly, and took on Grandmaster with the cubes and IG and all that at his disposal huh?
Ganthet is the most powerful? I thought he was just the most shown like Aron the Watcher.Guardians are Skyfather or below level. They aren't universal destroyer. One Guardian had to kill himself in order to stop Doomsday, an early version of DD by the way. And its funny how the Guardians couldn't just turn off the GL ring to stop DD.
If you want to bring up what Ganthet did, Odin and Cube Beings have pulled off feats as such as well.
Originally posted by Juntai
Too bad Krona, a single Guardian, destroyed many universes then invaded MU and destroyed Galactus effortlessly, and took on Grandmaster with the cubes and IG and all that at his disposal huh?
They ARE universal level destroyers, they have a code of non-intereference.
Too bad Krona is not like the other Guardians. He's also Entropy. And him destroying many universes and absorbing the universe to defeat Galactus is different from other Guardians doing so under their own powers.
And last I heard, Ganthet is not named Krona. And it took a Guardian to commit suicide to defeat DD. And all that did was rip a part space/reality, a feat that Stardust can do.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Too bad Krona is not like the other Guardians. He's also Entropy. And him destroying many universes and absorbing the universe to defeat Galactus is different from other Guardians doing so under their own powers.And last I heard, Ganthet is not named Krona. And it took a Guardian to commit suicide to defeat DD. And all that did was rip a part space/reality, a feat that Stardust can do.
Actually true Krona is an agent of Entropy which will end everything in every scientific based Universe. Two good posts Beyonder impressive.
Originally posted by BeyonderThe Guardians power has been used to destroy and create in the past, has it not? Has a guardian not acted as the battery to the entire corp previously, and more efficiently, I might add so much they didn't need recharged? According to Kyle, Ganthet can crack planets in half with absent thoughts.
Too bad Krona is not like the other Guardians. He's also Entropy. And him destroying many universes and absorbing the universe to defeat Galactus is different from other Guardians doing so under their own powers.And last I heard, Ganthet is not named Krona. And it took a Guardian to commit suicide to defeat DD. And all that did was rip a part space/reality, a feat that Stardust can do.
Ganthet is definately skyfather on up, rather than down.
Though it's hard to guage, that's my stance.
A guardian sacrificed himself to kill Doomsday with a GL Ring, and Doomsday had already grown immune to the power of the Guardians, and was also largely cis, considering they could have just shoved him in the battery rather than deliver him away to Calaton.
with all the power of the GL corps which is what Parallax had he almost rewrote reality how powerful is that? Krona killed Galactus HELLO had to kill Himself to kill DD thats a dumb move by DC but not any dumber then letting Darkseids omega beams be deflected by heat vision when in the past that would have been impossible.
Originally posted by Fishy 500
Shazam punked Mordru, who is a Lord of Chaos and has taken out imps in the past ! He is above Sky level, if he is creating several individuals with the powers to match Superman (E.G. Black Adam and Marvel)
So did fate. Does that mean his "above skyfather" level?
And the beings he created who are above superman get's their powers from other gods and him to balance it out.
Good argument everyone! In the DOV special Nabu called Shazam a Lord of Order! There are nine to what i remember
Lords of Order include Nabu (More Fun #55); Ynar, renegade Lord of Order (Flash v.1 #312-313); Pantagones (Who's Who); Amethyst (Amethyst v.2 #13); the Gray Man (JL #2 (1987); Terrataya, who fell in love with Lord of Chaos T'Charr, creating Hawk & Dove (Who's Who); Dominus (Action #747); Kismet, who was chosen above Dominus to assume exalted status of Illuminator of All Realities & existed between dark & light, illuminating pathways to both (Adv. of Superman #494); St'nn & Jakk. (JL Quarterly #2)
Kismet is Eternity level who is Galactus Level ... so i assume Nabu himself is Galactus level. But pls shine some light that Shazam is a Lord of Order.
Originally posted by Fishy 500
Not everytime .... He raped Supes in OWAW !
Is this a typo? An annoyed Supes KO'd Kalibak with the quickness in OWAW.
Originally posted by Mider
with all the power of the GL corps which is what Parallax had he almost rewrote reality how powerful is that? Krona killed Galactus HELLO had to kill Himself to kill DD thats a dumb move by DC but not any dumber then letting Darkseids omega beams be deflected by heat vision when in the past that would have been impossible.
It's not dumb considering he started doing this only after combining with Kismet, her essence was another power up for him.
Originally posted by Juntai
The Guardians power has been used to destroy and create in the past, has it not? Has a guardian not acted as the battery to the entire corp previously, and more efficiently, I might add so much they didn't need recharged? According to Kyle, Ganthet can crack planets in half with absent thoughts.
The guardians have also stood about while Parallax drained the Battery and killed them. Odin himself revived billions of dead beings that made Mangog's existence possible. As for planet shattering, Gladiator has done that and yet he was on his knees before Odin after losing to Thor. Stardust had planetary wrecking powers, but would you say he's any more powerful than Surfer?
He fought Seth on different planes of existence and wrecked galaxies. His fight with Forsung and Infinity was having the same affects.
A guardian sacrificed himself to kill Doomsday with a GL Ring, and Doomsday had already grown immune to the power of the Guardians, and was also largely cis, considering they could have just shoved him in the battery rather than deliver him away to Calaton. [/B]
About the ring thing, they could've shut down the ring or even used yellow weakness to negate DD. DD was using that ring as a shield against other GLs, whether he was getting any immunity doesn't matter when it was on the Guardians turf and they could've shut down his ring. This was a weak DD, before ever met Superman. The same DD that lost trapped by one single GL.
Originally posted by olympian
"Not everytime .... He raped Supes in OWAW !"After Superman had to fight Imperiex probes and was blasted by the real deal.
When he was fresh again, did Darkseid raped him? nope.
I think he almost did. Izaya was even trying to reprimand him telling him DS is not the enemy.
and wasn't he teleported in time by DS himself before IP was able to hit him with his beams
Originally posted by joesha28
Good argument everyone! In the DOV special Nabu called Shazam a Lord of Order! There are nine to what i rememberLords of Order include Nabu (More Fun #55); Ynar, renegade Lord of Order (Flash v.1 #312-313); Pantagones (Who's Who); Amethyst (Amethyst v.2 #13); the Gray Man (JL #2 (1987); Terrataya, who fell in love with Lord of Chaos T'Charr, creating Hawk & Dove (Who's Who); Dominus (Action #747); Kismet, who was chosen above Dominus to assume exalted status of Illuminator of All Realities & existed between dark & light, illuminating pathways to both (Adv. of Superman #494); St'nn & Jakk. (JL Quarterly #2)
Kismet is Eternity level who is Galactus Level ... so i assume Nabu himself is Galactus level. But pls shine some light that Shazam is a Lord of Order.
Originally posted by olympian
"I think he almost did."They seemed even for what i remember. Not anywhere close to the "beating" he gave Superman before.
well i dunno, but he sure looked overpowered a bit. And then there is the fact that he expended some of his powers of imperiex and his beams aren't up to it's normal output.
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