I apreciate that Exanda, and you have a good way of explaining (calmy and sanely 😉 ) your point of view.
I dont give a rats rectum what anyone thinks though, these are just my opinions anyway.
They can unload on my views, but they cant change them.
I really think the PT are good movies.
The others can go screw their unsympathy 😮💨
i agree with the certain scenes that got me a lil' emotional - at the end of the day - this is Star Wars, and i cannot find a reason to hate it. And yes, i generally love the prequels. We should'nt allow such conflict, even though the fanbase has been separated, we all have our own opinions which will naturally defer in both good vibes and negative ones. Still, the upside of being a PT lover is that we can enjoy all six as one movie😄
ps - i have the right to hijack threads😂
Well, I suppose I'll throw my 2 cents in.
I prefer the prequels. In the sense that nothing ever bored me in the first 3 movies, it's an easy choice to make.
People claim that the Prequels are trash because they rely on special effects and not enough story. I don't think that's true. If you can block the special effects out of your mind and think of it as a whole, the prequels have an excellent storyline.
In TPM, we see the innocence of a young slave on Tatooine who's future is clouded by his inability to let go of his attachments.
In AOTC, Anakin struggles an emotional conflict between his love for his mother and Padme, along side of following the Jedi code.
In ROTS, Anakin's failure to let go of what he fears to lose leads him to the dark side and ultimately, behind the helmet.
Yes, there's alot of help from all the CGI, but if your forget about that for just a moment, you can see there is a logical story to the prequels, and it's not all that bad.
BTW: The OT had a ton of help from models, just like the PT has a ton of help from CGI. What's the difference really? I know alot more CGI is used than the models were, but there really isn't a difference when it comes to the movies being aided by special effects. ILM did the prequels, as well as the OT.
Well, I suppose I'll throw my 2 cents in.
I prefer the prequels. In the sense that nothing ever bored me in the first 3 movies, it's an easy choice to make.
I appreciate your opinion but how can the PT considered over the OT because of how boring it is? The OT had all the sense of adventure with mind blowing effects techniques (even now they are great) while a still fail to watch the whole of TPM; iit's that boring. The only scenes watchable in TPM was the first and parts of the duel at the end.
AotC was the same, the whole movie left me wondering that I need a new pair of shoes, it was that boring. Some people say that it's only the love scenes that make the film seemingly go on a coffee break halfway through. It's not that the inclusion of the love scenes that make it bad, it's how clumsily it was written and performed. I feel sorry for the woman that married george Lucas...well I think they've broken up noow.
People claim that the Prequels are trash because they rely on special effects and not enough story. I don't think that's true. If you can block the special effects out of your mind and think of it as a whole, the prequels have an excellent storyline.
It's not the storyline itself that brings the PT down, because on a whole the story is great if not slightly clichéd, its the way it has been done. The way important character developement seems to take a step back for ILM's work does not allow you to look at the films as a whole, just as an effects driven piece that never quite delivers in story.
In TPM, we see the innocence of a young slave on Tatooine who's future is clouded by his inability to let go of his attachments.
In AOTC, Anakin struggles an emotional conflict between his love for his mother and Padme, along side of following the Jedi code.
In ROTS, Anakin's failure to let go of what he fears to lose leads him to the dark side and ultimately, behind the helmet.
Yes, there's alot of help from all the CGI, but if your forget about that for just a moment, you can see there is a logical story to the prequels, and it's not all that bad.
The plot is not important, its the narrative development which is. That is how good film, books and drama are written. It doesn't matter what is going to happen, its how you get there, and frankly you would do better off on a 9 hour toilet break before you can watch the last minutes of RotS.
BTW: The OT had a ton of help from models, just like the PT has a ton of help from CGI. What's the difference really? I know alot more CGI is used than the models were, but there really isn't a difference when it comes to the movies being aided by special effects. ILM did the prequels, as well as the OT.
There is not a lot of difference in the use of them, yet again is how there used. No doubt about it, special effects are mandatory in Star Wars, but never before have they been at the expense of everything else.
And see, you've made some excellent points there as well Exanda. I totally respect your opinion. I guess it all depends on how one looks at it. I can understand completely where you're coming from, then again what bothers you about the prequels doesn't really bother me. That's exactly where the differnce is drawn.
I love the OT, and didn't think they were boring all togehter. ANH is good in every way. However, the first half of ESB doesn't do a whole lot for me. The second half of that movie is what makes it shine. (for me at least. 🙂) And in ROTJ, I'm not a big fan of all the stuff that takes place on Endor. I don't hate it, it's just not my favorite stuff of the series. In Episodes 1, 2 and 3, there's nothing I can really say that I don't like about it. Of course, the prequels have flaws. There's a few things here and there. I find it hilarious how in the opening shot of ROTS, the Starship is the only thing floating above the entire surface of Coruscant, but when the 2 jedi starfighters fly underneath it, the entire planet is covered with ships, missles, lasers, and you know. But that's more of a mistake then a flaw or plothole. I just don't pick on the other stuff as much for some reason.
I just think ESB has something special, that little extra. And I think it's not to do with a great script and great direction.
The extra little bit of magic you get from ESB just seems to fall out side of everything else, like it's unexplainable.
To try and put my finger on it I think it was the culmunation of the locations (Hoth & Bespin), the costumes (such as Han Solo's snow outfit),
the way in which the way of the Jedi is explored, Han and C3PO arguing, the duel, the twist, Mark Hamill getting completely owned.
All in all I think that ESB is the most artistic Star Wars film, not because of the effects (because on quality it'd be one of the prequels), nor the amount used, but the way everything is used subtely, and it blends in to make on of the greatest films of all time.
The Prequels are good. But The Original Trilogy was so much better.
The Acting in the Original Trilogy was better, And the Dialogue ran much smoother than the Prequels. My theory is that the actors in the 70's were greatly disciplined. Money was fairly scarce then, And they had the ability to lay down the path. Where as The Prequel actors try their best to live up to the original Trilogy actors. Of course, In May cases laying down the path turns out much better than trying to do it over again just as good, or better for that matter, And I think that goes for every category I am trying to record in this little written correspondence. Let's not forget to mention that the Original Trilogy used older actors that the Prequels did. Throwing Things like-Experience, Wisdom, and The Ability to adapt-on the Board for them.
The use of CGI was much overused in the Prequels. Honestly, I think George lucas was too busy trying to sell tickets to a wider, and younger audience this time. That's why Characters like 'Jar Jar Binks' into the picture. George lucas worked so hard in trying to make great CGI effects, that he completely Ignored Dialogue for the characters. I almost slit my throat in the theater when listening to some of Obi-Wan's Dialogue in Episode 3. It sounded like His lines were based on a Saturday morning cartoon, or a Comic Book. 'You Wont get away this time......Count DOOKU!"
To make a long story short, George Lucas was so busy on trying to make something beautiful, he caught caught up and it backfired on him. Although he did make some great characters like 'Jango Fett' and 'General Greivous'. The Prequels are fun to watch when bored, and the Original will remain an american movie classic for as long as we live.
I agree with DW on most of his posts. The OT is the reason why fans became fans of Star Wars. I really don't see how can anyone say that they're a fan of the prequels and not of the original. That is just unheard and hard to believe. And also there is the Jedi Council factor that isn't very attracting. Sure Jedis have cool weapons and powers. But is just not as exciting as watching a young padawan Luke Skywalker fighting agaisn't the forces of the empire.
I feel the OT is more about the underdog. With the rebellion and the fight agaisn't the Empire. And maybe that is what appeals the most. Now, is the OT a work of Art? Maybe a work of great Filmaking and storytelling. But I quite enjoyed the artwork and time period of the OT than the prequels.
RotS was just an overblown version of AotC and TPM, more graphics more lightsaber fights and more irrelevant and uninteresting yet colourful vilains.
Of course most people liked those bits of TPM and AotC so a film full of it is much better than a film which tries to rely on a mishandled epic story, i.e. the whole of TPM is a bore storywise and only includes one LS duel.
Originally posted by Sith Master XWell, although I as a fan thought it was a cool/interesting/great movie, it was apperantly voted worst movie of 05 and probably not without a reason. Us as fans just aren't skeptical enough to judge properly.
I'm really surprised at how many people dislike ROTS here. I can understand why people don't like the first 2 (even though I love them) but ROTS was killer in my opinion, and I don't care how much CGI was used. lol
Originally posted by overlord
Well, although I as a fan thought it was a cool/interesting/great movie, it was apperantly voted worst movie of 05 and probably not without a reason. Us as fans just aren't skeptical enough to judge properly.
Let's just keep it at that..
Again....
Who voted it worst movie?
Certainly not the box office, the critics (70-80 % gave 3 out of 4 stars or better) or the Peoples Choice Awards.
Again...
Not a challange...just wondering.