Could Phoenix permanently satisfy Galactus' hunger

Originally posted by LordKaos
I was just curious as to how the force that ensures that life springs eternal is below Death, at best being the "resurrection force" makes them two opposing entities with neither being above the other. Without the rebirth cycle that Phoenix provides there would be no need for Death, and without the ending of that cycle (Death) there would be no need for Phoenix and so on and so forth ad infinitum.

I have made this point numerous times Lord Kaos and in my opinion never been given an aequate answer. It's still though an excellent point and well made by you.

Is Whirly still acting like Fishy is a different person?

*sigh*

Originally posted by LordKaos
I was just curious as to how the force that ensures that life springs eternal is below Death, at best being the "resurrection force" makes them two opposing entities with neither being above the other. Without the rebirth cycle that Phoenix provides there would be no need for Death, and without the ending of that cycle (Death) there would be no need for Phoenix and so on and so forth ad infinitum.

Eternity is the opposite of Death with Galactus the balancing force between them. Phoenix is not an abstract, it is a force that makes reality possible. The abstracts are reflections of the universe and the slots they occupy can be usurped and re-allocated at anytime during a creation cycle. In fact its canon that at the end of every creation cycle the abstracts are replaced by an evolved humanity just check out X-men Forever for details. Phoenix is the Force that keeps the process going on forever and ever. It is a constant, bringing Big Bang after Big Bang and crunch after crunch (wherein all that is , is absorbed into the M'kraan crystal)

Death isnt the end of the cycle. Death is only there to provide a framework, a structure for Phoenixes work within reality however it certainly isnt the end, it is merely a change of state within the cycle. Phoenixes work is carried out both within and without reality. Phoenix brings about the end of the creation cycle the collapsing of reality into the crystal. Ive posted scans of Death talking about its work in relation to Phoenix just check out Whirlys hierarchy thread.

Originally posted by demigawd
Is Whirly still acting like Fishy is a different person?

*sigh*

Not you too !

#sigh# !

Originally posted by Fishy 500
Not you too !

#sigh# !

Youre speaking as if its completely beyond comprehension Yahman. Its down to the "stan" like relationship you two have. 🙂

You cant blame Demi. I thought the same thing at first. I think Demi could have been referring to Evil Genius being Whirly which is quite obvious.

Originally posted by demigawd
Is Whirly still acting like Fishy is a different person?

*sigh*

He is a different person and so was Evil Genius

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Eternity is the opposite of Death with Galactus the balancing force between them. Phoenix is not an abstract, it is a force that makes reality possible. The abstracts are reflections of the universe and the slots they occupy can be usurped and re-allocated at anytime during a creation cycle. In fact its canon that at the end of every creation cycle the abstracts are replaced by an evolved humanity just check out X-men Forever for details. Phoenix is the Force that keeps the process going on forever and ever. It is a constant, bringing Big Bang after Big Bang and crunch after crunch (wherein all that is , is absorbed into the M'kraan crystal)

Death isnt the end of the cycle. Death is only there to provide a framework, a structure for Phoenixes work within reality however it certainly isnt the end, it is merely a change of state within the cycle. Phoenixes work is carried out both within and without reality. Phoenix brings about the end of the creation cycle the collapsing of reality into the crystal. Ive posted scans of Death talking about its work in relation to Phoenix just check out Whirlys hierarchy thread.

Dude what are you talking about, first of all i was merely challenging the guy who said that Death is above the Phoenix. Never once called it an abstract, but when it works within reality it takes on a role that makes the others necessary, and vice versa. I don't need any of your tedious posts about the Phoenix as I myself am well versed in that area. Phoenix does not bring on the destruction of the universe although it can, I think everybody has forgotten that Phoenix also embodies passion. Being the embodiment of passion and the like the Phoenix is present in every sentient being including the living universe, when the cycle is up the living universe passionately wants end it's existence and to be reborn, folds in on it's self, then the Phoenix initiates the big bang from which all is reborn. Universes are forged in big bangs, they are ended by entropy. And since your so fond of quoting Xmen Forever Eternity says "The Phoenix is the Resurrection Force, the assurance of life from DEATH" The Stranger intended to use the Phoenix to initiate an unnatural ending to the Universe.

Originally posted by LordKaos
Dude what are you talking about, first of all i was merely challenging the guy who said that Death is above the Phoenix. Never once called it an abstract, but when it works within reality it takes on a role that makes the others necessary, and vice versa. I don't need any of your tedious posts about the Phoenix as I myself am well versed in that area. Phoenix does not bring on the destruction of the universe although it can, I think everybody has forgotten that Phoenix also embodies passion. Being the embodiment of passion and the like the Phoenix is present in every sentient being including the living universe, when the cycle is up the living universe passionately wants end it's existence and to be reborn, folds in on it's self, then the Phoenix initiates the big bang from which all is reborn. Universes are forged in big bangs, they are ended by entropy. And since your so fond of quoting Xmen Forever Eternity says "The Phoenix is the Resurrection Force, the assurance of life from DEATH" The Stranger intended to use the Phoenix to initiate an unnatural ending to the Universe.

Excellent post.

Sums up everything, actually better than anyone has....... including me. I am impressed.

Brilliant. The Phoenix serves a purpose. My interpretation as well.

Originally posted by LordKaos
Dude what are you talking about, first of all i was merely challenging the guy who said that Death is above the Phoenix. Never once called it an abstract, but when it works within reality it takes on a role that makes the others necessary, and vice versa. I don't need any of your tedious posts about the Phoenix as I myself am well versed in that area. Phoenix does not bring on the destruction of the universe although it can, I think everybody has forgotten that Phoenix also embodies passion. Being the embodiment of passion and the like the Phoenix is present in every sentient being including the living universe, when the cycle is up the living universe passionately wants end it's existence and to be reborn, folds in on it's self, then the Phoenix initiates the big bang from which all is reborn. Universes are forged in big bangs, they are ended by entropy. And since your so fond of quoting Xmen Forever Eternity says "The Phoenix is the Resurrection Force, the assurance of life from DEATH" The Stranger intended to use the Phoenix to initiate an unnatural ending to the Universe.

Yeah very good !

Thank you Sir I try, but we know he'll be back with something to make it seems like he knows more then me, as if my posts are anti-phoenix.

Originally posted by LordKaos
Thank you Sir I try, but we know he'll be back with something to make it seems like he knows more then me, as if my posts are anti-phoenix.

He always does and always takes it personally in my opinion. Doesn't stop your post being Gold.

Originally posted by LordKaos
Dude what are you talking about, first of all i was merely challenging the guy who said that Death is above the Phoenix. Never once called it an abstract, but when it works within reality it takes on a role that makes the others necessary, and vice versa.

I know what you were doing i can read cant i? I never said you did call Phoenix an abstract i was countering your point that said neither of them were beyond the other and that they were the opposites of each other. I did so by highlighting their very different natures, by stating the fact that Death has a well documented opposing force in the shape of Eternity and that not only is Phoenix responsible for their existence but its work isnt restricted to the universal as per Death.

Originally posted by LordKaos
I don't need any of your tedious posts about the Phoenix

Dont start getting abusive with me because i disagreed with your post. I have not really debated with yourself before and have never addressed yourself in such manner therefore your manner is unwarranted. Lets debate like adults and please refrain from unjustified insults in the future or you will get a reaction.

Originally posted by LordKaos
as I myself am well versed in that area.

That remains to be seen.

Originally posted by LordKaos
Phoenix does not bring on the destruction of the universe although it can, I think everybody has forgotten that Phoenix also embodies passion.Being the embodiment of passion and the like the Phoenix is present in every sentient being including the living universe, when the cycle is up the living universe passionately wants end it's existence and to be reborn, folds in on it's self, then the Phoenix initiates the big bang from which all is reborn. Universes are forged in big bangs, they are ended by entropy.

Eloquently worded but id love for you to find current continuity support for that on panel. Knowing that to be a mission impossible i'll carry on.

According to recent accounts (i.e X-men Forever and New X-men) the Phoenix Force not only brings about the beginning of creation but also the end via the M'kraan crystal/White Hot Room. In New X-men not only did Phoenix bring the dead 616 universe into the white hot room (a place all beings, all life is absorbed into upon death according to the title) but in the latest Phoenix bio the title where the previous creation is wiped out by the M'kraan crystal is supported as well. Entropy might embody that moment for arguments sake , but its certainly not the cause of it, not in current continuity im afraid.

At the end of creation all that is, is absorbed in to the gravity well of the neutron galaxy within the crystal. As more and more matter and energy is absorbed into the singularity, the gravity increases. Eventually something gives and all the matter and energy is cast out as the Big Bang.

Originally posted by LordKaos
And since your so fond of quoting Xmen Forever Eternity says "The Phoenix is the Resurrection Force, the assurance of life from DEATH" The Stranger intended to use the Phoenix to initiate an unnatural ending to the Universe.

Youre confusing yourself my friend. As stated by Death itself it provides a framework for Phoenixes work within the universe but Phoenixes work carries on outside of reality beyond Deaths jurisdiction. That is different to your presentation of Death as the opposite of Phoenix. You have failed in making that point. Eternity is the opposite of Death. At a universal level Phoenixes work is given meaning by Death however as stated by the abstract itself the Phoenix is beyond that. Its work continues on beyond reality. Your mistake is in thinking the creation cycle ends with Death. Life in a universe ends with Death however the creation cycle continues on unabaited.

Youre correct in your statement regarding Strangers intentions however it was unnatural in that it would have been premature, not because of the force bringing it about. If you read X-men Forever again you'll find it also says:

"The resurrection force is both a beginning and an end"

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
He always does and always takes it personally in my opinion. Doesn't stop your post being Gold.

Okay Whirly 🙂

Originally posted by LordKaos
Dude what are you talking about, first of all i was merely challenging the guy who said that Death is above the Phoenix. Never once called it an abstract, but when it works within reality it takes on a role that makes the others necessary, and vice versa. I don't need any of your tedious posts about the Phoenix as I myself am well versed in that area. Phoenix does not bring on the destruction of the universe although it can, I think everybody has forgotten that Phoenix also embodies passion. Being the embodiment of passion and the like the Phoenix is present in every sentient being including the living universe, when the cycle is up the living universe passionately wants end it's existence and to be reborn, folds in on it's self, then the Phoenix initiates the big bang from which all is reborn. Universes are forged in big bangs, they are ended by entropy. And since your so fond of quoting Xmen Forever Eternity says "The Phoenix is the Resurrection Force, the assurance of life from DEATH" The Stranger intended to use the Phoenix to initiate an unnatural ending to the Universe.

GS imo goes for his usual tactic of posting lots of irrelavance to try and get away from a golden post this time this one from Lord Kaos.

The current 616 universe was created after the previous universe collapsed, it was not burned up in some cosmic conflagration caused by the Phoenix. The focal point of this collapse is the cosmic egg, now one can assume the cosmic egg is where the Phoenix is, when it hatches there is the big bang and glorious creation begins anew.

Originally posted by LordKaos
The current 616 universe was created after the previous universe collapsed, it was not burned up in some cosmic conflagration caused by the Phoenix. The focal point of this collapse is the cosmic egg, now one can assume the cosmic egg is where the Phoenix is, when it hatches there is the big bang and glorious creation begins anew.

GS will say Phoenix is in the White hot room always - I brought exactly your point up in a Krona thread long ago, I agree with you though.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
GS imo goes for his usual tactic of posting lots of irrelavance to try and get away from a golden post this time this one from Lord Kaos.

If it was irrelevance you would have been able to counter. You have not. Youre all talk, yet have nothing of substance to contribute. That goes some way into explaining why you jump on the sacs of any and all who disagree with me. You fool noone. 🙂

Originally posted by LordKaos
The current 616 universe was created after the previous universe collapsed, it was not burned up in some cosmic conflagration caused by the Phoenix. The focal point of this collapse is the cosmic egg, now one can assume the cosmic egg is where the Phoenix is, when it hatches there is the big bang and glorious creation begins anew.

The previous universe (according to the title which is supported in the latest handbook) was wiped out of existence by the M'kraan crystal.

I have already posted a description of how the crystal does this according to the comics. Thats all that needs to be said. For further information check out Uncanny X-men 108.

The point being it was caused by collapsing, what you said about the crystal was not refuted. If it was caused by the crystal then it could not have been caused by the Phoenix. Since when are the white hot room and M'kraan the same? If they were then why did it try to keep Phoenix out when it need repairing? You'd figure if they were the same then she would have the keys and security code to her house. The only reason she could enter was because the nightmare effect had no effect on her because she had already overcome her fear of dying.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
GS will say Phoenix is in the White hot room always - I brought exactly your point up in a Krona thread long ago, I agree with you though.

HAve you read my big crunch, big bang theory yet ? It kind of sucks, but it holds as much validity as G.S's theory !