Seriously though....is there ANYBODY out there that can still debate?

Started by roughrider2 pages

I can feel some fanboy hackles go up, when someone who's a favourite can't win, but I try to resist and be logical. I hope I suceed for the most part.
I haven't been in the Star Wars forums for a long time, because I'm sick of the constant whining in there, about EVERYTHING. You're so unhappy, go get another obsession, I say.
There has been times I'm not intrigued by the versus forum, because too many matchups seem the same, but fresh ones eventually come out. The books and movies section, you can ask interesting questions and the discussions don't degenerate as much. Just keep the slagging threads out ie. I-Hate-C-Master crap.

Originally posted by demigawd
Then again, they're sometimes prone to being taken over by ridiculous bickering wars between Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumbass...we know who they are. 😄

Go me!!!

I try to use logic. I fail miserably, but I do try...

Originally posted by Mindship
Not so much in the comic threads but more in the general forum, I've noticed this trend: you go through the effort of presenting an intelligent point of view (well, at least I think I'm being intelligent 😮 ), then expecting a reasonably intelligent response...and I get nothing. The posts that follow read as if I had posted nothing at all (h'mm, did I just set myself up...?)

In all fairness, I think the following has to be taken into consideration, and I mean no offense by the following, but the fact is, we have a fairly wide age range here in the forum (most being under 20), and people are generally gonna "debate" with what they can grasp and on a level commensurate with their general (physical and/or mental) age and with people of like age/interests.

I know that sometimes the stuff I post can be very technical/wordy/cerebral, and if no one responds to it the way I would like, I don't necessarily see it as their being rude or stupid. Perhaps at times debates would ensue if I, personally, used plain English more.

Fight the power! Keep posting intelligently. Seriously, people getting confused by big words is the absolute highlight of my forum experience. Never stop!

Honestly, never lower your own standards to appease other people. If they don't like how you talk, screw 'em. You obviously care enough to keep your dignity when presenting yourself, no matter the medium. Your posts are organized, well thought out, and are a good deal easier to read than mindless drivel that is filled with misspellings and crappy grammar. It's a very good thing, the forum needs guys like you. But 50 more of them than we have now.

Oh, and just because you got paranoid about setting yourself up... DURRRR!!!!

Yes, if you look carefuly

You will be able to see that there is a KMC population boom in the last 1-2 months .... some of them are good debaters, but some of them are fanboys with 0 knowledge on comics....

The thing is, nothing can stop this fanboy flood...

What I hate is, when some expert posts a nice thread, but suddenlly 20 fanboys show up and post 20 ignorant threads.... so the thread is moved to the end of the page if not to the other page........

Did you know that there are more than 20 threads containing PC DS vs. Galactus topics............

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
It happens everywhere. Forums go through cycles. This is a cycle of crap. Eventually there'll be a surge in thought out, interesting and great debates. Then there'll be a surge of complete crap or mediocre debates.

Just got to hope there's a few hidden gems mixed in with all the re-hashes and crap.

Yeah, well, that's still not a very pretty picture being drawn out. Things are definitely worse than they were, so i think i'm seeing your point. Even so, however, i'm afraid the community will reach a point of saturation soon.

Originally posted by Scoobless
yup.... you just get sick of the constant fanboy comments.... then when a decent thread with a decent and semi-original concept does come up, Golem and co create so many spam threads that it gets pushed straight to the second page and is forgotten about

Absolutely. And even golem has a few decent threads, but the onslaught of the rest of the threads, which have already been done, but anyway, push those good ones to not just the second or third page, but way way back.

Originally posted by Fishy 500
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The place is beyond repair .... Just prevent them from ****ing up this place !

Certain members who have already been mentioned, shouldn't be aloud to create threads on this part of the forum, IMO !

A bit elitist i know, 🙁 🙁

That wouldn't be necessary if they had some proper education, and some good sense. I mean, seriously, when everybody who's known and respected tells you that you're doing something wrong, maybe you should actually believe them......I blame education at home.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I think the answer is being selective, I was accused of bringing false evidence to the table today when I quoted Verbatum from the handbook ❌ 🙂

Alright, but you could have been selective (which i'm sure you weren't). In my specific case however, i made SURE that i cannot be accused of having been selective when it came to the proof i would present. So there really is no excuse for accusing me of something like that.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Any member who has been here long enough can point to at least 2-3 GREAT debates they've been in...and a lot of mindless ones. This site is great for comic info and occasionally good debates, but it's an unfortunate truth that one can't expect great battle-debates terribly often.

Just treasure the important stuff you get out of it...and ignore the rest. And fight the fanboy-ism if you must, but everyone succumbs to despair every now and then, so don't feel too bad.

Yeah Digi, but it just keeps getting worse and worse. And i'm afraid that when school starts, the decline will be even nastier.

Originally posted by Mindship
Not so much in the comic threads but more in the general forum, I've noticed this trend: you go through the effort of presenting an intelligent point of view (well, at least I think I'm being intelligent 😮 ), then expecting a reasonably intelligent response...and I get nothing. The posts that follow read as if I had posted nothing at all (h'mm, did I just set myself up...?)

In all fairness, I think the following has to be taken into consideration, and I mean no offense by the following, but the fact is, we have a fairly wide age range here in the forum (most being under 20), and people are generally gonna "debate" with what they can grasp and on a level commensurate with their general (physical and/or mental) age and with people of like age/interests.

I know that sometimes the stuff I post can be very technical/wordy/cerebral, and if no one responds to it the way I would like, I don't necessarily see it as their being rude or stupid. Perhaps at times debates would ensue if I, personally, used plain English more.

It really doesn't matter what the manner of getting your point across is. They won't understand common logic, that's the issue. I'm sure there are some that just don't understand what you're trying to say due to the elevated vocabulary you use, but even so, even if you were to use day to day speach, it still wouldn't do any good.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
^^ Indeed.

Speaking of good debating...

Not sure how long you've been around DU, but they're starting a new tourney over in the vs. forum. There's always great debates in those matches....and they rarely get into fanboyism and shouting matches (though sometimes the early rounds succumb to that occasionally). Ever since I was in a tourney almost a year ago they've been my favorite part of the vs. forum...and help us remember how to actually debate and counter-debate points made by an opposition.

-DM

I know Digi, i already signed up to be a judge. I'm only sorry i can't be a judge in every match though, since Dizzle says we'll be rotating and such.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
DU was Wickerman Digi, He's been around some time!

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Originally posted by demigawd
That's why I usually spend my time on the cosmic threads. You can't be an immature fanboy and survive on those, so they usually stay out of those threads.

Then again, they're sometimes prone to being taken over by ridiculous bickering wars between Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumbass...we know who they are. 😄

Yeah, you're right, in the cosmic threads, there isn't usually anything they can do, because they realize how silly they'd look. So then why can't they realize the same thing when it comes to more mundane characters?

Re: Re: Re: Seriously though....is there ANYBODY out there that can still debate?

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I think the answer is being selective, I was accused of bringing false evidence to the table today when I quoted Verbatum from the handbook ❌ 🙂

😂

I know what you're, talking about .... Are you sure i wasn't may be a bit tampered ?

Originally posted by olympian
Now, now. None of you can complain. I havent been around for some time. 😒 👿

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Dont put yourself down oymps ..... you're fanboyism is much appreciated, as there is some twitsted logic behind it ! 😏

Originally posted by demigawd

Then again, they're sometimes prone to being taken over by ridiculous bickering wars between Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumbass...we know who they are. 😄

(Cough , cough !) You forget his sidekick !

Originally posted by Fishy 500
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Dont put yourself down oymps ..... you're fanboyism is much appreciated, as there is some twitsted logic behind it ! 😏

Olympian isn't bad at all. He backs up his claims with proof, and uses logic.

(sorry Olympian, missed your post and was too lazy to reply directly to it 🙁 )

Originally posted by demigawd
That's why I usually spend my time on the cosmic threads. You can't be an immature fanboy and survive on those, so they usually stay out of those threads.

Then again, they're sometimes prone to being taken over by ridiculous bickering wars between Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumbass...we know who they are. 😄

😕 Who?

Re: Re: Re: Re: Seriously though....is there ANYBODY out there that can still debate?

Originally posted by Fishy 500
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I know what you're, talking about .... Are you sure i wasn't may be a bit tampered ?

no false evidence at all.

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
It really doesn't matter what the manner of getting your point across is. They won't understand common logic, that's the issue. I'm sure there are some that just don't understand what you're trying to say due to the elevated vocabulary you use, but even so, even if you were to use day to day speach, it still wouldn't do any good.

True enough. I have noticed those instances where someone is just so invested in being right or winning that simple black-n-white logic or common sense falls entirely on deaf ears. Might as well try to pierce Cap's shield with a toothpick.

See I'm a fanboy if you disagree with me...I'll cut your eyes out. ALPHA FLIGHT RULZZZ

Originally posted by Mindship
True enough. I have noticed those instances where someone is just so invested in being right or winning that simple black-n-white logic or common sense falls entirely on deaf ears. Might as well try to pierce Cap's shield with a toothpick.

Exactly. Waste of time and effort.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
See I'm a fanboy if you diagree with me...I'll cut your eyes out. ALPHA FLIGHT RULZZZ

You've just inspired me to make a new sig 😄

Being a fanboy of Alpha Flight is smart. None of us care enough about them to know if he's right or wrong. LOL.

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Originally posted by demigawd

Then again, they're sometimes prone to being taken over by ridiculous bickering wars between Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumbass...we know who they are. 😄

All im saying is i better be Dee 😉

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Being a fanboy of Alpha Flight is smart. None of us care enough about them to know if he's right or wrong. LOL.

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Well ALpha FLight did beat the Living Tribunal when Talisman reached her full potential since she is a worker for the gods. Now am I telling the truth? Who knows jerk, I don't need to lie

You should care, because they would own most of the marvel characters 🙂

I don't go to the vs. forums as much anymore. It's kinda in a slump now for me.

But I'll stick around to see if it comes back.

I'd say less people know about Excalibur than about Alpha Flight, simply because Wolverine has had run-ins with them.

How many comics has marvel put wolverine in again ??