The thing being BRB would have to know how to do it (and if he's never done it, that's questionable), Stormbreaker would have to be capable of doing it (also questionable), and Magneto would have to let him do it. In their rematch, when Magneto received his first powerup, just snatched Mjolnir out of Thor's hands. So there's no guarantee that Thor would even have the opportunity to absorb Mag's powers, considering that Mags is even MORE powerful than he was in their rematch.
I give Mags 7/10 odds against BRB, 6/10 against Thor.
I thought BRB was gentically engineered not a cyborg. While mags is really powerful, BRB can also manipulate magnetic fields. I don't think he is as skilled as Magneto but that has to give him some resistance to mags attacks. Add in BRB destructive firepower and all the magic enchantments that his hammer has, and I just can't see BRB losing a majority.
Originally posted by the Darkone
Strombreaker = Thor's hammer can go threw any narrier depending on the will BRB. Thor's hammer went threw Kangs force-sheild and his force shield was suppose to be unbreakable.
No, Kang called his forcefield unbreakable. Magneto's forcefield has proven to be unbreakable. Thor's hammer has failed to penetrate Invisible Woman's, a much weaker version of Magneto's, Super-Skrulls, Quasar's and others. So there are a lot of examples that contradict what you're saying.
Originally posted by demigawdBut Magneto beats Thor for all the reasons Magneto can't beat Beta Ray. Thor is a humanoid - he has blood, he has electrical impulses, he has a humanoid mind to be manipulated. Magneto beats Thor because Magneto can manipulate Thor's body at a micro level. BRB is some kind of synthetic being, there's no real proof that he has ANY of that.[/B]
Nor is their any proof that Gladiator has the same biology that humans have. And yet, Magneto can beat Gladiator.
I guess looking humanoid is good enough for Gladiator but not Bill, even though in Bill's normal form he's humanoid with a nose. I guess that transformation into horseface by Stormbreaker some how prevents Magneto from controlling him. Then wouldn't then same transformation prevent Thor from...oh wait, he still looks humanoid.
...Oddly enough, Magneto has never manipulated structures of beings like Thor, Gladiator, or Bill so I don't even see where there's an argument that he can. Their physiology is unknown.
Originally posted by TheKahn
I thought BRB was gentically engineered not a cyborg. While mags is really powerful, BRB can also manipulate magnetic fields. I don't think he is as skilled as Magneto but that has to give him some resistance to mags attacks. Add in BRB destructive firepower and all the magic enchantments that his hammer has, and I just can't see BRB losing a majority.
It's both. He has sensors inside him and a bio-engineered cyborg. His flesh becomes significantly dense when he uses transform to his asgardian form.
Originally posted by demigawd
[B]The thing being BRB would have to know how to do it (and if he's never done it, that's questionable), Stormbreaker would have to be capable of doing it (also questionable), and Magneto would have to let him do it.
Thor is no Beta Ray Bill. Between the two, Bill uses his head more often. Bill can do anything Thor can, only godblast is in question. SB absorbed attacks from Stardust, Mags shield is getting absorbed.
I give Mags 7/10 odds against BRB, 6/10 against Thor.
Bill's takes shots from Stardust. Got up after Galactus put him down. Survives planetary destruction after planetary destruction. Anything Magneto throws at him is nothing knew. Even before gaining Stormbreaker, Bill stalemated Thor. Bill absorbs Magneto shield and takes this win.
And between the two, Bill's almost always on bloodlust. It's Magneto that might under estimate or not know Bill rather than Bill not knowing Magneto. People rarely see Bill or know his existence, while Bill spends half his time with Sif and the other half with Thor, who has battled Magneto.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Thor is no Beta Ray Bill. Between the two, Bill uses his head more often. Bill can do anything Thor can, only godblast is in question. SB absorbed attacks from Stardust, Mags shield is getting absorbed.Bill's takes shots from Stardust. Got up after Galactus put him down. Survives planetary destruction after planetary destruction. Anything Magneto throws at him is nothing knew. Even before gaining Stormbreaker, Bill stalemated Thor. Bill absorbs Magneto shield and takes this win.
And between the two, Bill's almost always on bloodlust. It's Magneto that might under estimate or not know Bill rather than Bill not knowing Magneto. People rarely see Bill or know his existence, while Bill spends half his time with Sif and the other half with Thor, who has battled Magneto.
Well, now that we KNOW BRB's makeup - an electronic cyborg, we KNOW he's made up of components that Magneto can manipulate, so there's no longer a question of that.
Magneto tears BRB into pieces.
Originally posted by demigawd
Well, now that we KNOW BRB's makeup - an electronic cyborg, we KNOW he's made up of components that Magneto can manipulate, so there's no longer a question of that.Magneto tears BRB into pieces.
The problem is that Stormbreaker can absorb the magnetic attack or can manipulate his metalic componets and keep them in place. Now I don't think it has ever been shown how powerful Stormbreaker's magnetic abilities are but since were dealing with an enchantment from Odin, I would give it the benifit of the doubt
Originally posted by TheKahn
The problem is that Stormbreaker can absorb the magnetic attack or can manipulate his metalic componets and keep them in place. Now I don't think it has ever been shown how powerful Stormbreaker's magnetic abilities are but since were dealing with an enchantment from Odin, I would give it the benifit of the doubt
But just because it was made by Odin doesn't mean you can just assume that it can do everything Mjolnir can do. Can Odin's magic spear generate electromagnetic energy? Can the Odinsword? Unknown, in every case. And even if Stormbreaker is capable of doing it, if BRB has never done it, it would likewise imply that he doesn't know how - and there were plenty of times where it would have come in handy.
Remember, Thor is the god of Thunder, Lord of Lightning, which is a component of the EM sphere. Mjolnir may have those abilities specifically to complement Thor's role as the God of Thunder. In fact, it's been stated that Mjolnir actually just channels power innate to Thor, which explains its electrical-oriented abilities. Nothing has shown that the same should or would hold true for BRB, who is not a god of thunder.
Originally posted by demigawd
But just because it was made by Odin doesn't mean you can just assume that it can do everything Mjolnir can do. Can Odin's magic spear generate electromagnetic energy? Can the Odinsword? Unknown, in every case. And even if Stormbreaker is capable of doing it, if BRB has never done it, it would likewise imply that he doesn't know how - and there were plenty of times where it would have come in handy.Remember, Thor is the god of Thunder, Lord of Lightning, which is a component of the EM sphere. Mjolnir may have those abilities specifically to complement Thor's role as the God of Thunder. In fact, it's been stated that Mjolnir actually just channels power innate to Thor, which explains its electrical-oriented abilities. Nothing has shown that the same should or would hold true for BRB, who is not a god of thunder.
At the end of the 1st paragraph it says that Bill's hammer has all of the enchantments as Thor's except only bill can weild it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_Ray_Bill#A_New_Hammer
Here are the enchantments of mjolnir. The second one deals with energy manipulation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mjolnir_%28Marvel_Comics%29#Enchantments
As I said, it doesn't say just how powerful theses abilities are but given the shear power BRB has displayed, the power of the villans he as faced, and the devine source of the power, I just don't see Magneto using magnetic fields to kill Bill IMO.
Wiki is a dubious source, but even assuming it has the potential to control weather, if BRB doesn't know about it, he can't use it in battle. Besides, the enchantment specifically states, "absorbs energy and re-directs it", it doesn't say it can generate the energy. Magneto would just snatch Stormbreaker away the way he did with Thor. And he doesn't have to direct the energy at Stormbreaker - he would manipulate BRB directly. Magneto doesn't shoot beams at objects to affect them.
Originally posted by demigawd
I don't think BRB can destroy Magneto's shields.And I definitely don't think Thor > Magneto.
But Magneto beats Thor for all the reasons Magneto can't beat Beta Ray. Thor is a humanoid - he has blood, he has electrical impulses, he has a humanoid mind to be manipulated. Magneto beats Thor because Magneto can manipulate Thor's body at a micro level. BRB is some kind of synthetic being, there's no real proof that he has ANY of that. And as powerful as Magneto is, his lethality comes from subtle manipulations of internal processes rather than generating planet-destroying blasts. Magneto just doesn't have the offensive firepower to put down BRB and if he can't manipulate BRB's body somehow, Magneto can't do anything to him.
BRB wins.
This version of Mags exists in your mind and the land of PIS, Demi .... Although i agree that mags should be able to do this stuff, he doesn't. Its like Silver Surfer travelling back in time to kill any opponent b4 he faces them ! It just doesn't happen !