Oh yeah, I forgot!!
On the EP3 dvd commentary, Rick Mcallum says (during the opera scene)
" Palpatine gives away so much, with this stunning revelation of his rise to power, his plan, THE ORIGINS OF ANAKIN, in just a few lines of dialogue"
I don't know how much I believe him, since he's the producer but.... 😕
I think it's supposed to be left to the viewer's imagination.
It's not in the database, since it was cut from the movie, so it's not cannon, but it's in the chronology, the darth vader guide, and on the EP3 dvd commentary(see earlier posts).
I watch that scene and Palps tells Anakin that the dark side of the force can influence the midichlorians to create life.
Qui-gon says in TPM that it's possible he was concieved by the midichlorians.
Point of fact, he was.
Whether it was the will of the Force, or the will of the Sith (who, I think, were unwittingly doing the will of the Force) is up for discussion.
I'm kinda leaning toward Plag's or Palp's.
(Plag's) 😂
I don't think George was trying to say sex is wrong at all. WTF. I think he was just trying to say simply what he DID say - that he was concieved by the Force. I've heard it argued that Palpatine "raped" Shmi, more or less, using the Force, because he knew he could use Anakin at some point, but that's a stretch.
Originally posted by jeremiahbllfrg
Im·mac·u·late Conception
n. 1: Roman Catholic holy day first celebrated in 1854 [syn: Immaculate Conception, December 8] 2: (Christianity) the Roman Catholic doctrine that the Virgin Mary was conceived without any stain of original sin [syn: Immaculate Conception]
So are you really asking with this thread if Anakin was born a sinner or not? what the heck kind of question is that? I think maybe you meant to ask if Anakin was created by miraculous means.
ok look, immaculate conception means "Without Sin," Mary (mother of Jesus) was immaculately conceived, not Christ. So what you are saying is was Anakin born wihtout sin? Thats what your question implies, you just don't understand your own verbage. Turst me this stuff was drilled into me though 12 years of Catholic school.
well I could be his daddy but then it wouldnt be immaculate just spectacular....for her I mean....LOL....ahhh who cares Lucas led us to only one of two possibilites (although EU leaves a few questions) either plagueis or sidious as they were only ones who had the knowledge to do so......anything with them is dirty rotten....but whos to say shmi didnt get a little "Jack" in her one night and forgot what happened...LMAO!...ahhh its good to be back!
Gl said no papa yes but did he mean it in a physical sense as no "man" knocked her up....plagueis or sidious wouldnt have done it that way...they would have simply influenced the midis...so biologically no father but like in a sense of ummm spiritual or father the creator like sci fi movies a scientists creates a creature or android...they always refer to their creator as father...anyways somebody might get my drift...lol
Originally posted by Cascador
you want me to say more what he said...Anakin has no father, he was created by the will of the Force! he is the chosen one, but in the end it was his own choice that caused his downfallthere you have it...
Now I agree with you CAS, so don't get mad.
But Anakin being created by the will of the force could be by Sidious or Plag's. (or not)
I checked the database entry for Vader, as you suggested. 🙂
It states that anakin has no father, and was immaculately concieved.
It goes on to say that qui-gon believed he was concieved by the midi-chlorians, which he presented to the Jedi Council. (Curiously, it makes no mention of wether or not the Council believed this.)
It says that another theory is that the Sith Lords (you know which ones) created him to be the ultimate apprentice.
The thing that I find interesting, is that no character presents that(like qui-gon) as a point of view surrounding Anakin's birth.
It is mentioned by Palp's that he can create life, in the attempt to lure him to the darkside, but he never says that he had a hand in creating him.
So, its a theory only because of what Sidious says that a certain Sith,(and we must assume, his apprentice) could do.
George never goes into detail, saying only that he is the chosen one, and that he fullfills the prophecy.
The prophecy says that a Jedi born of the will of the Force will bring balance to the Force.
It's left up to the viewer, with all the info. given, to decide if his being born of the will of the Force was all on it's own, or wether the Sith created him.
My opinion is that it was the Will of the Force for the sith to create him, and for him to bring balance to the force by reducing the Jedi and Sith back to 0, and then starting over again with Luke.
But that's only my opinion 😛 ....
Well since it's also George's opinion I see that as cannon and what is said about "creating the perfect" pupil is only a theory to make Anakin more mysterious...the database likes to f*** with our minds I think...making us believe that the Sith created him and making us think that either Boba is dead or maybe he's still alive....
Originally posted by Cascador
Well since it's also George's opinion I see that as cannon and what is said about "creating the perfect" pupil is only a theory to make Anakin more mysterious...the database likes to f*** with our minds I think...making us believe that the Sith created him and making us think that either Boba is dead or maybe he's still alive....
Right. 🙂
But George's opinion doesn't say that he wasn't created by Palp's or Plag's..... it only says that he was born of the Will of the Force... and that he is the chosen one... and that he fullfills the prophecy.... am I making any sense?
It's my opinion, that due to it being in the "official" 😛 Chronology, it being in the database, and Rick Mcallum saying so on the dvd that it is at least VERY POSSIBLE for the Sith to create him/him be created of the will of the force at the same time.
Oh, and as for Bobba... GL says on the EPVI dvd commentary that he almost shot the scene for bobba coming out of the pit, and that most people don't think that he died anyway, so that MIGHT make it GL's opinion as well....does that mean that it is cannon too... or a theory? 😕 (probably why it's in the database)
yeah but if George says he was created by the will of the Force, that just means that he wasn't created by plagueis or sidious...Its one or another...They can influence midi-chlorians, but they can't influence the will of the Force to create life.
About Boba, the databank doesn't say he died, from the movies point of view, the sarlacc became his house and his reputation came to an end there, so in theory he didn't die!
Originally posted by Cascador
yeah but if George says he was created by the will of the Force, that just means that he wasn't created by plagueis or sidious...Its one or another...They can influence midi-chlorians, but they can't influence the will of the Force to create life.About Boba, the databank doesn't say he died, from the movies point of view, the sarlacc became his house and his reputation came to an end there, so in theory he didn't die!
Who are we to say that the Force isn't more like God?
Perhaps it was the will of the force for the sith to create him.
Maybe the force doesn't actively have to birth him, for it to be "the will of the Force" in him being born.
The Sith(my opinion, now) were doing the will of the Force,unknowingly, when they created the chosen one.
Oh, and bobba: 😆 that's a good point.