Is Iran right to develop nuclear energy?And is that enough reason to go to war!!

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
To wager a guess, I don't think a nuclear holocaust is on anyone's agenda.

Iran want to use their weapons on their enemies closer to home. Not go to war with the largest nuclear armed superpower in the world and its allies.

-AC

I always maintained the belief that as the current world is, we're ironically safer if everyone has nukes. Every major power anyway.

If just one country had them, they could nuke and there'd be no fear of reprisals. Nobody is going to nuke now purely because then it'd result in getting nuked back, doing serious damage to the planets and each other in the process. Of course, the danger then is that some nutjob will get one and end up nuking someone. Which is looking possible.

-AC

I agree with you on your first statement AC -altho I doubt anyone is that stupid as to use a nuclear weapon-

the second statement explains why I doubt the use of a nuclear weapon.

On the other hand if there are two countries whose leaders I see 'agreeing with a nuclear terrorist action' (cause I'm honestly convinced no country would admit to doing it) it would be either North Korea (but they have piped down since they have their nukes) or Iran at this moment.

Those may change in the future (Pakistan and India were going at it pretty hard a while ago so you never know who might 'allow' it)

Iran are getting a lot of attention and I think it's more than likely that this is all they want. I don't think they want the attention and subsequent annihilation that comes with using a nuke.

-AC

I think they should have the right to use it for energy and such, I personally think that nuclear weapons should be abandoned alltogether so I think no one should be allowed to make new ones, and the 8 major Nuclear powers should destroy theirs (but that won't happen that fast, if ever...)

Originally posted by Bardock42
I think they should have the right to use it for energy and such, I personally think that nuclear weapons should be abandoned alltogether so I think jno ones should be allowed to make new ones, and the 8 major Nuclear powers should destroy theirs (but that won't happen that fast, if ever...)

For this same reason, capitalism is always the logical conclusion of any political system.

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
so why is america aloud nukes?

Well... it's not like anyone can take them away, now is it.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
For this same reason, capitalism is always the logical conclusion of any political system.

The advantages of a terrorist delivery system (as opposed to missiles) are 1) you don't see it coming; and 2) it is not immediately--and perhaps would never even be certainly--clear who the attacker is. This makes it much harder to justify who to nuke back. This is why pre-emption, IMO, can, in some instances, be justified. As I stated earlier, pre-emption is a lousy way to go, but ask yourself: is it that lousy that you'd rather take the chance that someone who hates you won't nuke you?

We are in a lose-lose situation. Our best bet is to choose the lesser of the evils to minimize loses.

Welcome to Earth, folks, where the dominant species lives its life more according to fiction than reality.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
For this same reason, capitalism is always the logical conclusion of any political system.

I appreciate and agree with the sentiment, but I don't think I'd use the word "conclusion." Sounds like no better system could eventually evolve...I don't know what that would be (if I did, I'd have a Nobel Prize for Economics on my mantle; hell, I'd have a mantle), but since capitalism is far from being a perfect system, one would think that, as humans and societies evolve, so would our way of managing our affairs.

Originally posted by Mindship
I appreciate and agree with the sentiment, but I don't think I'd use the word "conclusion." Sounds like no better system could eventually evolve...I don't know what that would be (if I did, I'd have a Nobel Prize for Economics on my mantle; hell, I'd have a mantle), but since capitalism is far from being a perfect system, one would think that, as humans and societies evolve, so would our way of managing our affairs.

I think it's the system that best reflects what humanity is, so until that changes, it will be the conclusion.

Obviously I don't suggest that other systems cannot develop, but when I say 'conclusion', I mean that I feel any future developments will eventually gravitate back towards the capitalist mode.

(I think we've gone off-topic though)

Iran is definitly trying to develop Nuclear weapons but this doesn't necessarily mean WWIII. Even WHEN (not if) they do then Israel is already suspected of having close to 200 Nukes, something Iran would be decades from, though It wouldn't take much to lay waste to tiny Israel. Israel could sure do a LOT of damage to Iran with those.

It's only WWIII if Russia, China, get involved. The US most certainly would, and probably Britian too.

The US currently has the largest functional nuclear arsenal on earth, estimated at around 10,000 to 12,000 warheads.

Russia has even more at around 20,000 but it's estimated that only about 3,000 are useable.

China has somewhere around 400-500.

Britian is next at fewer than 300.

Do the math. Iran nukes Israel and even if Israel can't respond the US most certainly will and I doubt Russia or China would do any more than post a diplomatic protest. They aren't going to war over Iran.

Question is, would countries being attacked with an A-bomb retaliate in the same fashion (if possible)?

I know that even if Belgium had that power I'd be aganist it (altho those views might change when that situation would present itself. Yet a big sized A-bomb on Belgium would result in the total destruction of what was once the nation-state Belgium)

Originally posted by Fire
Question is, would countries being attacked with an A-bomb retaliate in the same fashion (if possible)?

I know that even if Belgium had that power I'd be aganist it (altho those views might change when that situation would present itself. Yet a big sized A-bomb on Belgium would result in the total destruction of what was once the nation-state Belgium)

Well I believe Germany does have the ability to built A-Bombs, but we never did (I guess for obvious reasons....) but for some reason at least I am not that afraid that we could be a target to a military attack (or terrorist ...especially not at this strength)