Albert Einstein - "So long as there are men, there will be wars." Do you agree?

say again?

homo sapiens: "wise man."
Almost like jumbo shrimp.

oh, I see. Oximorons. Well we can be wise, don't get me wrong. We've just grown lazy over time..

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
This was verbatim from Albert Einstein himself.

Think it's true ..?

Yes. War is the result of selfishness or a necessary personal gain. Humans didn't always go to war, archeology suggests that it only began about 10,000 years ago. Hmm, about the time of the beginning of agriculture, isn't it? People start owning stuff and wars start. Coincidence...?

I believe women only fight for men but they really love each other. Men are very isolated from each other, they kiss themselves only father to son and from there the purpose of being idealistic=war. Today I had a wonderful experience and a perfect proof of that statement. A man gets a female friend and is a girlfriend in most cases and a male friend for support=pals not including homo because that's a very different subject. A man can be jealous from the other for missing a proper attention but that only comes from childhood, brother-like and very long time pals. In other words the majority of men hate each other and the only remedy for that is being flexible and cooperative.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No, hopefully there will come a time when we grow up and learn to live in piece.

That is the most unlikely thing that could happen.

I agree with Einstein - as long as there are men there will be struggle for power and wealth and thus war.

hey , its the nature of men to fight, we only think that its changed as we have gotten ' civilized', but its still their nature

They may not fight hand to hand any more, but in other ways .

I don't know what the future holds for man and neither did Einstein and because of that, what I'd say to Einstein's quote in return is "So long as there have been men, there have been wars."

Maybe he thought that the past equals the future.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I don't know what the future holds for man and neither did Einstein and because of that, what I'd say to Einstein's quote in return is "So long as there have been men, there have been wars."

Maybe he thought that the past equals the future.

I think he was just saying, we will never learn.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I think he was just saying, we will never learn.

Possibly so.

However, I find it intriguing that Mr. Einstein would say such a comment but yet played a rather significant role in the creation of the Atom bomb.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then China will take over the world. 😱

I agree, as long as there are men there will be wars. ✅

Originally posted by Mindship
Einstein also said this:
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm beginning to have my doubts about the former."
Based on this, I would answer Yes.

Got to be a realist of human nature.

Al...tres cool wit de hair.

Until human beings undergo a profound degree of evolution, there will "always" be people killing other people because, ultimately, we fear death. In the deepest pit of every person's psyche is Death Terror. This is the source of all motivation. Every other need--for food, love, sex, money, respect, etc, etc, etc--all percolates up from Death Terror.

While most of us are cool with this (because of healthy ego defenses in unconscious operation) for some--by ilk or circumstance--normal defense mechanisms aint enough. So they kill.

"I so fear my own death, the only way I can feel truly godlike is by killing others."

Until this changes, there will always be war.

This is like to ask if there will be a time where squirrels will use the toilet, perhaps they will... monkeys did...

It is the nature of the man, perhaps there will be a time where people will learn to live in peace, but then we will not be man anymore, but something different.

So long as men have the will to fight, there will be wars.

Although, I'd be quick to ask what exactly does Einstein mean by wars. I'm sure that he means wars between two nations, but I think that you could analyze this with broader scope. People will always think differently. It's humanity's strength (or weakness, depending on your point of view). All things great (and terrible, perhaps) have come from this daring to think differently. At the same time, everyone wants to defend what they think is right. And if they're willing to fight, then they will. Wars, in this sense, will last forever. Humanity has never been one to accept the hive mind attitude.

Wars in the sense of battles between nations? This is a bit more difficult to tackle. So long as men have the will to justify his ends with the means, there will be this sort of strife. World peace is a utopic goal to try and achieve. It's a goal that I can't truly discern whether or not it can truly be attained or not.

One thing I think I'm fair in saying is that peace will not rise in this generation. Nor will it rise in the next, or the one after it. Despite this grim vision, I think (or hope) that one day humanity will as a whole will see what its internal strife has gotten it. And maybe, after everyone is tired of war and fighting, maybe we'll all sit down and settle our differences through peaceful discourse. But even then, that seems utopic as well. Look at our history. Have we ever been without war? Has anything great ever been built without war? As long as man is possessed with ambition towards self-gain, he will always be able to take from others. All he needs is a little justification.

I guess what I want to say is that I don't want to give up hope in humanity just yet, even though I've seen the horrors it's capable of commiting. A few thousand years of history in wars is discouraging, but as I said before, man's sole power to make change arises from his ability to think differently. Could we not try and fight against the chain of actions which dominated our ancestors?

yes it is true, because we will always have wars with others, it is in our nature, and if we fight the urge to war with others, we are having a war within ourselves, and their is still war.

Some philosophers have argued that the death and destruction of war are necessary components to a meaningful life or even the ability to love.

Life as mere existence isn' t very important. Instead, what is important is a life worth living. It is in people' s interests to preserve their life, but also aspects of life which give it significance: land, family, ideas, value, religion, etc.

Meaningful existence for human beings entails a willingness to preserve those aspects of human life which give it meaning. People are willing to fight, die and kill for their values.

A similar argument is made in defense of the idea that the willingness to engage in violence, even to the point of war, is part of our capacity as humans to love one another.

The ability to love someone requires that we be willing to defend that person. Defending another person whom we love may entail doing that which is otherwise abhorrent to us. One example might be to die for that person - to accept their fate as our own, in other words. Another might be to kill for that person - to act in their defense by killing a person who threatens to kill them.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
This was verbatim from Albert Einstein himself.

Think it's true ..?

Anybody who knows anything is aware that women are as aggressive, vicious and violent as we are; they're merely raised from birth to hide it. And men basically invented the concepts of right and wrong. If women ran the show and there were no men, there wouldn't even be a human race left.

Originally posted by Uberking Robert
Anybody who knows anything is aware that women are as aggressive, vicious and violent as we are; they're merely raised from birth to hide it. And men basically invented the concepts of right and wrong. If women ran the show and there were no men, there wouldn't even be a human race left.

I think humans will never get ride of wars, as long they exist. To cushion other people is a part of humanity the same like to love your woman/man. humans can´t get ride of that, cause even when all humans will have the same standard about living(means work, healthy, religion, love and food and what ever is important for people) there will be always someone who wants to rule above all. and that other people will dislike his leadership what will end in forces again.

Even when we could make it that we get ride of all weapons one day, there will be man who wants to use the chance and they will cushion us with wood pieces with nails inside. and then we have to arm us with bigger wood pieces with bigger nails inside, to defend us. and when we toked down the attackers we will try to cushion other or other will come to try to cushion us again. is all a circle we never can ride of, so i can say it is completely true what albert einstein said.