Originally posted by Eis
I'm not 15, I'm 14. 😛
And I'm not saying it doesn't change, of course it does but for better or for worse.He was basically saying "after all she is 15." At least that's what I got from his post.
Right, I did the math....and I did it wrong....my bad.
Hmm you ight be right, although judging from the post prior to VVDs I figured he wasn't talkign jsut aboot Musical Taste but also aboot Musicla Knowledge...I might be wrong though
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yeah, exactly.His point was that at 15 it's not uncommon to have a few likes that are shit, you do grow out of certain artists as you get older. She may not, she may, who knows? The point he made was at this point it's sort of able to be overlooked being that she's 15.
I could quite easily turn your argument on you and say that because you're 14 you'll grow up and like better music than Coldplay or that your liking of said band is excuseable because you're 14.
-AC
Originally posted by Eis
You have shit likes at ALL ages, sometimes you grow out of them sometimes you don't.
So why did you call VVD's post BS? He said that exact same thing.
"She's only 15 though. How many of us can say we had impeccable music taste at that age, or even now for that matter?"
He then followed it by saying how she may grow out of Manson, she may not, but the fact remains that people's change taste as they do get older, some more dramatically than others. She's still young.
I suggest you read posts first.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So why did you call VVD's post BS? He said that exact same thing."She's only 15 though. How many of us can say we had impeccable music taste at that age, or even now for that matter?"
He then followed it by saying how she may grow out of Manson, she may not, but the fact remains that people's change taste as they do get older, some more dramatically than others. She's still young.
I suggest you read posts first.
-AC
(I edited my previous reply)
Originally posted by Eis
What I'm saying is "She is only 15 though." is not an excuse. Her taste in music sucks, period.(I edited my previous reply)
First, you don't have shit likes at ALL ages, you just never have impeccable music taste. I don't have any shit likes, I have likes that some people would say "Not all that", EG: Lacuna Coil, Trivium. They're not shit bands, but they're by far not my greatest likes or loves, or great bands. They're just good bands I enjoy. People at younger ages aren't as appreciative of what's great and what's not. There's no debating that. If a 35 year old music fan with seemingly flawless taste came out and said "I liked MC Hammer when I was a kid", what would you say? Would you say his entire taste is shit? If the answer is yes then your rationale is idiotic, if the answer is no then it's likely because he was a kid and have therefore rendered your whole argument useless.
You liking Coldplay doesn't mean your taste in music is shit, it means you like a shit band in my opinion. If you like all shit bands in my opinion, then you have shit taste...in my opinion. It's also more passable because you're 14. If you were say 18 or over it'd be a different story.
Her liking Manson and loads of other shit bands means that in my opinion, she has shit taste. However, due to her age (she's young) it's quite a likely possibility that as she matures, so will her taste. It may very well not, but it might possibly.
Your logic is not even flawed, it's just not there. What are you trying to debate? You think her music taste sucks, so do I. What? The point we're all making is that at 15 you don't have "impeccable" music taste, if ever, that occurs later in life.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
First, you don't have shit likes at ALL ages, you just never have impeccable music taste. I don't have any shit likes, I have likes that some people would say "Not all that", EG: Lacuna Coil, Trivium. They're not shit bands, but they're by far not my greatest likes or loves, or great bands. They're just good bands I enjoy. People at younger ages aren't as appreciative of what's great and what's not. There's no debating that. If a 35 year old music fan with seemingly flawless taste came out and said "I liked MC Hammer when I was a kid", what would you say? Would you say his entire taste is shit? If the answer is yes then your rationale is idiotic, if the answer is no then it's likely because he was a kid and have therefore rendered your whole argument useless.You liking Coldplay doesn't mean your taste in music is shit, it means you like a shit band in my opinion. If you like all shit bands in my opinion, then you have shit taste...in my opinion. It's also more passable because you're 14. If you were say 18 or over it'd be a different story.
Her liking Manson and loads of other shit bands means that in my opinion, she has shit taste. However, due to her age (she's young) it's quite a likely possibility that as she matures, so will her taste. It may very well not, but it might possibly.
Your logic is not even flawed, it's just not there. What are you trying to debate? You think her music taste sucks, so do I. What? The point we're all making is that at 15 you don't have "impeccable" music taste, if ever, that occurs later in life.
-AC
If that 35 year old with a great taste in music I would tell him that at one point in his life his music taste sucked.
Originally posted by Eis
You may like shit bands at any point in your life, the thread's starter taste in music sucks but her being 15 is not an excuse, it sucks.If that 35 year old with a great taste in music I would tell him that at one point in his life his music taste sucked.
Yes, and why do you think it sucked at THAT point? The point when he was a young kid? Because when you are young you are more susceptible to lesser music, as she is right now.
Your argument isn't holding any water.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, and why do you think it sucked at THAT point? The point when he was a young kid? Because when you are young you are more susceptible to lesser music, as she is right now.Your argument isn't holding any water.
-AC
Well the thing is if the 35 year old with flawless taste will like Marilyn Manson with 70 again his Music Taste at 70 sucks too...the problem though is that we, as humans, can only know the music taste of a person in the past and the present. So the point it not that the music taste sucks cause she is young, it just sucks cause it sucks. It might change to better otr worse..but if it's worse with 35 it still sucks, not because she is 35 now but because the Music she listens to just plain sucks.
Why is it such a difficult point to get? Do you believe her music taste sucks? Apparantly. Do I? Yes.
What Eis seemed to miss is the fact that VVD used her age because nobody, at 15 (or ever, but especially young ages) has impeccable music taste so there's no point slaying her over it. She may get better taste as she matures, she may not. Who knows and/or gives a shit?
That's all there is to it.
-AC
Originally posted by MetallicaT
maybe her being canadian has something to do with it too? 😬
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Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why is it such a difficult point to get? Do you believe her music taste sucks? Apparantly. Do I? Yes.What Eis seemed to miss is the fact that VVD used her age because nobody, at 15 (or ever, but especially young ages) has impeccable music taste so there's no point slaying her over it. She may get better taste as she matures, she may not. Who knows and/or gives a shit?
That's all there is to it.
-AC
You're reaching that last conclusion all on your own.
Being 15 doesn't mean she can't have good taste, nobody is saying that. What's being said is that nobody has IMPECCABLE taste, much less at a young age.
Let's push forward a revolutionary idea: If everybody reads a post multiple times before replying they won't get as confused.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You're reaching that last conclusion all on your own.Being 15 doesn't mean she can't have good taste, nobody is saying that. We're saying that nobody has IMPECCABLE taste, much less at a young age.
Let's push forward a revolutionary idea: If everybody reads a post multiple times before replying you won't get as confused.
-AC
I guess I will just say yes now.....although I disagree with the "much less at a young age".
What's to disagree on?
You think a 10 year old should have the taste of a 35 year old music critic? Younger age means lesser taste, not shit taste, lesser taste. You weed it out over maturity as you hear more and more music. The less music you know, the less you like. In younger years, unless you've got a family member who introduces you to stuff you wouldn't otherwise have heard, then all you have is the tv and radio, which is largely shit.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What's to disagree on?You think a 10 year old should have the taste of a 35 year old music critic? Younger age means lesser taste, not shit taste, lesser taste. You weed it out over maturity as you hear more and more music. The less music you know, the less you like. In younger years, unless you've got a family member who introduces you to stuff you wouldn't otherwise have heard, then all you have is the tv and radio, which is largely shit.
-AC
So by that reasoning are you admitting that your musical taste is of a lesser quality than that of a 35 year old? I was following you until you made that statement. I believe you were saying that a broader exposure to music naturally affects your growth and appreciating of the artform (correct me if I am mistaken), but that last comment threw me for a bit of a loop.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
So by that reasoning are you admitting that your musical taste is of a lesser quality than that of a 35 year old? I was following you until you made that statement. I believe you were saying that a broader exposure to music naturally affects your growth and appreciating of the artform (correct me if I am mistaken), but that last comment threw me for a bit of a loop.
No, you've confused it.
Bardock said he disagrees that very young people tend to have lesser music taste because they "shouldn't have to" have bad taste as a result of being young. I agree, but nobody was saying that. I said nobody has impeccable taste, much less so at a younger age. Bardock disagreed when there was nothing for him to disagree with. He was getting at the point that young people have no excuse for having shit taste. My point in comparing the ages was that a 35 year old music critic has a vast music knowledge due to age and experience. At 10 years old, regardless of his now great taste, he probably didn't have great taste. He probably has SOME shit taste, infact it's a certainty. It proves that with time comes more knowledge and with more knowledge comes a better self-knowledge and maturity in what you do and don't like, in what you do and do not think is great.
VVD's original point was (I think): She's 15 and at 15 it's excusable to have a musical taste that isn't impeccable, or even good, really. She may continue to like Manson when she's 30, she may not. As it stands, she's 15 and there's time for her musical scope to grow.
You don't know at 15 what you know at 20, 30 or 40. The younger you are, the less you know. So if she continues to learn, there is a possibility she'll look back and realise she made a bad call with Manson. She may not, but who cares? She has in my opinion, shit music taste. She's also 15 so as he said, there's still time.
I seriously don't understand the complexity. It was a simple point that everyone has just hit a wall with.
-AC