The Justice league vs The Avengers : You rate the JLA

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
You been far to generous with the durability, I doubt even Superman is a level 7 durability ..... Neither the Surfer or Count Nefaria are level 7's and Nefaria is immortal ! As Adam Whore lock explained, you cant be a level 7 durability with a weakness of some kind, and Superman has two ! Wonder woman, G.L are certainly not level 7's in durability !

The consensus for durability is the Marvel scale is: "Ability to resist or recover from bodily injury." Superman IS virtually indestructible with weaknesses to kryptonite and magic. Keyword: virtually. Wonder Woman IS virtually indestructible to most attacks barring for some stupid reason sharp things with sufficent velocity. Keyword: virtually.

GL without his shields or ring for that matter is of course as vulnerable as any human. GL WITH his ring (that intiates auto-shields) IS virtually indestructible (except with stupid writers) because not many things can get through it. Not even a Big Bang.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Even with reference to the crossover i still think she is still a level 7, Spetznaz has shown various examples to demonstrate this ! you could make a case for the M.M. being a level 6 has he didn't really demonstrate his physical attributes in any of the four books ! 🙂

The handbook entry on hercules doesnt take into consideration the reduced prowess of a now mortal herc. If it did then his strength would also be a 6. Please bear that in mind.So her strength stat is still very much debatable. Either way we dont have to agree just my opinion is all. 🙂

Originally posted by Draco69
The consensus for durability is the Marvel scale is: "Ability to resist or recover from bodily injury." Superman IS virtually indestructible with weaknesses to kryptonite and magic. Keyword: virtually. Wonder Woman IS virtually indestructible to most attacks barring for some stupid reason sharp things with sufficent velocity. Keyword: virtually.

GL without his shields or ring for that matter is of course as vulnerable as any human. GL WITH his ring (that intiates auto-shields) IS virtually indestructible (except with stupid writers) because not many things can get through it. Not even a Big Bang.

'IS virtually indestructible '

One could also make a case 4 Count Nefaria, Silver Surfer and to a lesser extent Ultimate Colossus, all of the above are listed a Level 6. I doubt that Wonder Woman's durability is beyond that of the Silver Surfers.

In the case of G.L. i remind you that beings such Photon, who has spacial powers and worm hole capabilities, and when and went toe to toe with Sentry (i.e. Someone whose potentially as powerful as Superman,) is listed as level 5 ? his constructs can also be shattered by enough force, i believe that this was accomplished by Wonder man in the crossover ? Hardly indestructible

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The handbook entry on hercules doesnt take into consideration the reduced prowess of a now mortal herc. If it did then his strength would also be a 6. Please bear that in mind.So her strength stat is still very much debatable. Either way we dont have to agree just my opinion is all. 🙂

The last Avengers handbook was made in 2004, well after his reduction in power, I'm certain that they where aware of it, Abomination is also rated as a 7, and we saw what a reduced Herc was able to do to him ! What about the Wonder man scenario, it was blatantly suggested that she was stronger than him, and he is a high level 6 !

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
'IS virtually indestructible '

One could also make a case 4 Count Nefaria, Silver Surfer and to a lesser extent Ultimate Colossus, all of the above are listed a Level 6. I doubt that Wonder Woman's durability is beyond that of the Silver Surfers.

In the case of G.L. i remind you that beings such Photon, who has spacial powers and worm hole capabilities, and when and went toe to toe with Sentry (i.e. Someone whose potentially as powerful as Superman,) is listed as level 5 ? his constructs can also be shattered by enough force, i believe that this was accomplished by Wonder man in the crossover ? Hardly indestructible

Which is precisely why the Handbooks are inaccurate. By using the table and my knowledge of the characters, I chose the best stat for them.

SS SHOULD be a seven. Hercules should be a seven in STRENGTH as should Namor. Photon SHOULD be a SEVEN in durability.

Marvel in my opinion badly categorizes their characters abilities based on their grading scale.

I stand by my stats not based on comparision to Marvel's characters but rather on feats in their comics.

If we're gonna go by JLA/Avengers where the JLA was incredibly downgraded, subtract three points off everyone. Oh and make Flash a 2 in speed because apparently Hawkeye can see him when he's running.

Originally posted by Draco69
Which is precisely why the Handbooks are inaccurate. By using the table and my knowledge of the characters, I chose the best stat for them.

SS SHOULD be a seven. Hercules should be a seven in STRENGTH as should Namor. Photon SHOULD be a SEVEN in durability.

Marvel in my opinion badly categorizes their characters abilities based on their grading scale.

I stand by my stats not based on comparision to Marvel's characters but rather on feats in their comics.

If we're gonna go by JLA/Avengers where the JLA was incredibly downgraded, subtract three points off everyone. Oh and make Flash a 2 in speed because apparently Hawkeye can see him when he's running.

I agree totally. All the categories need serious improvement, and various characters need to be updated. I also agree with all of your marvel suggestions.

Herc though is rated as a 7 Although it doesn't really matter, I also believe that many of the D.C heroes where down graded in the crossover. But who cares ?, at last someone agrees with me about the Marvel Hand book !

'my work here is done'

#Yahman opens up magical umbrellla and flies off to the soundtrack of 'A Spoon Full of Sugar' 🙂

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
The last Avengers handbook was made in 2004, well after his reduction in power, I'm certain that they where aware of it, Abomination is also rated as a 7, and we saw what a reduced Herc was able to do to him ! What about the Wonder man scenario, it was blatantly suggested that she was stronger than him, and he is a high level 6 !

None of us know how the stats for a characters bio are written, whether its most recent on panel performances or if its done by average performance. With that in mind a writer could deem hercs current mortal phase as temporary and therefore not take it into consideration when dealing with the stats. Either way mortal herc has strugggled with objects level 6ers could juggle and She hulk another level 6 was very recently presented as being stronger than him. Going by his own comments about being considerably weaker, his on panel feats during his mortal phase and how hes been presented, its quite clear that he far from has unlimited, incalculable strength as per a level 7.

Immortal level 7 Herc was presented as slightly above Thor in his day. Thor was for the most part presented as evenly matched with Supes while Herc in the crossover was getting manhandled by Wonder Woman. That says it all really. 🙂

You yourself readily dismiss the handbooks as inaccurate and favour your own fan system yet when they support your case youre quite happy to welcome them with open arms. Hmmm 😕

Either way as aforementioned, we dont have to agree, its not a topic im particularly bothered about so i wont persist. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
None of us know how the stats for a characters bio are written, whether its most recent on panel performances or if its done by average performance. With that in mind a writer could deem hercs current mortal phase as temporary and therefore not take it into consideration when dealing with the stats. Either way mortal herc has strugggled with objects level 6ers could juggle and She hulk another level 6 was very recently presented as being stronger than him. Going by his own comments about being considerably weaker, his on panel feats during his mortal phase and how hes been presented, its quite clear that he far from has unlimited, incalculable strength as per a level 7.

Immortal level 7 Herc was presented as slightly above Thor in his day. Thor was for the most part presented as evenly matched with Supes while Herc in the crossover was getting manhandled by Wonder Woman. That says it all really. 🙂

You yourself readily dismiss the handbooks as inaccurate and favour your own fan system yet when they support your case youre quite happy to welcome them with open arms. Hmmm 😕

Either way as aforementioned, we dont have to agree, its not a topic im particularly bothered about so i wont persist. 🙂

Excellent post though ! 😉 Im keeping it for future use, and i agree that herc should be downgraded, as should Juggernaut. This would have allow for more coherency with other characters.

I have also never considered this 'problem' from a writers perspective b4, thank you for the enlightenment. Its sad to see that this topic does not interest you !

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Excellent post though ! 😉 Im keeping it for future use, and i agree that herc should be downgraded, as should Juggernaut. This would have allow for more coherency with other characters.

I have also never considered this 'problem' from a writers perspective b4, thank you for the enlightenment. Its sad to see that this topic does not interest you !

It would normally im just in a really lazy mood at the moment and i cant be bothered with anything that potentially involves intense debating. 😉

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It would normally im just in a really lazy mood at the moment and i cant be bothered with anything that potentially involves intense debating. 😉

'intense debating.'

😂 😂

And who says sarcasm is the lowest form of wit ?

I have an exam tomoz , so i should sign off soon, although someone has introduced me to a very interesting and funny proposition 😏, but i might have to way for another time (U know who you are !)

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
'IS virtually indestructible '

One could also make a case 4 Count Nefaria, Silver Surfer and to a lesser extent Ultimate Colossus, all of the above are listed a Level 6. I doubt that Wonder Woman's durability is beyond that of the Silver Surfers.

In the case of G.L. i remind you that beings such Photon, who has spacial powers and worm hole capabilities, and when and went toe to toe with Sentry (i.e. Someone whose potentially as powerful as Superman,) is listed as level 5 ? his constructs can also be shattered by enough force, i believe that this was accomplished by Wonder man in the crossover ? Hardly indestructible

Breaking GL constructs does not mean breaking the auto shield. The two are completely separate. Auto shield has not shown a limit to what it can endure and is a 7 in durability.