Gandalf the White Wizard vs. Ganon the King of Evil

But this is a games versus forum ! If stuff happens in games, even if the developers put it in to spice the game up are still allowed as arguments as it is a games versus forum .

How would you feel if you played a Mario game and died instantly when you bumped into and enemy or fell into lava, not very funny for a not so experienced player huh.

Well that doesn't happen so why bring up the point?

In the game, Gimli is the only one that can jump (because of his leap attack), but he is supposed to be one of the worst jumpers in the fellowship. Does that mean Gimli is faking it at Moria, just as Gandalf is faking Istaris light every where else in the movie?

But I'm talking about the game not the movie.

So? Then Ganondorf is impossible to kill except if you shoot him with a light arrow because nothing else works on him.

Odd, because Istari light is made from......LIGHT! and as seen from the game causes damage.

WOP (Word of Power) is not a power Gandalf has shown himself capable of doing, that's just something to spice up the character a little. If he knew it, he would have used it at Minas Tirith, or kicked the wolves asses in Bilbo.

Its in the game and this is a games versus forum

So Snake, a normal human being (some inhanced abilities) can take over 20 bullets to the head because he is in a game? How come he doesen't just stand open in a hallway and fire at everybody who opposes him.

Taking characters from a game vs forum means that you pick people that comes from games, and Gandalf is not from a game. You can't measure his abilities through gameplay, you need the canon source.
And even if you pick characters that comes directly from a game, you need to think logically. Is there any logic in how a normal human being can take 20 bullets to the head, but still tries to hide from the enemy.

Ok I'll go by your logic.

Link can never ever die because everytime you die you can choose continue and he lives again. Does that make any sense?

So what. How do you come to the conclusion that because it is light it must hurt people. He did it to the Uruk-Hai in the front lines in TTT when they were riding in Helms Deep, they were stunned not killed. If he knew WOP he would have done it there.

(nominates kamikz for president)

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Taking characters from a game vs forum means that you pick people that comes from games

And thats what I'm doing. I'm taking Gandalf from The Battle for Middle Earth

So Snake, a normal human being (some inhanced abilities) can take over 20 bullets to the head because he is in a game? How come he doesen't just stand open in a hallway and fire at everybody who opposes him.

Ah yes you must be playing in easy mode where the developers let the weak people at the game have a chance.

Link can never ever die because everytime you die you can choose continue and he lives again. Does that make any sense?

Well I'd hate to pay €50/$50 for a game then suddenly can't play it anymore after my character dies. Doesn't make much sense now does it?

How do you come to the conclusion that because it is light it must hurt people.

There's what you would call a health bar! When Gandalf uses the move the enemies health goes down! 😆

He did it to the Uruk-Hai in the front lines in TTT when they were riding in Helms Deep, they were stunned not killed. If he knew WOP he would have done it there.

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Originally posted by Zen2nd
And thats what I'm doing. I'm taking Gandalf from The Battle for Middle Earth

Ah yes you must be playing in easy mode where the developers let the weak people at the game have a chance.

Well I'd hate to pay €50/$50 for a game then suddenly can't play it anymore after my character dies. Doesn't make much sense now does it?

There's what you would call a health bar! When Gandalf uses the move the enemies health goes down! 😆

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Aren't you even listening. Gandalf doesen't come from a game, the rules doesen't say, "use the characters exactly as they are in the games", it says there has to be at least one that comes from a game vs anyone. Gandalf has never displayed that his Istaris light has killed people except in the game, is the game canon, no. It's just to make the game fun.

Could a Nazgul be killed except when the ring is thrown in mount doom, no. Can they in the game, yes.

So, even on the higher levels all the bosses take around 20 bullets to the head, is fatman something more than a human being, no.

Did I say the game would be destroyed? It could possibly mean you have to start over from the beginning like in the old days.
Comon, do you actually belive that Aragorn can heal himself and everyone around him instantly, that he can summon the army of the dead at will, that Legolas can shoot arrows for an etirnity, that Gimli can jump higher than anyone else in the game. In that game, two group of archers could kill the Witch King if they are fully upgraded and on level 10, the stats given the characters are just to balance the game.

If you are just going to take Gandalf from the game then he has 2500 in health and 200 in attack. And Gandalf has to reload his powers for a very long time. Also WOP woulden't work on Ganondorf since he levitates over the ground. Oh and Gandalf can't parry strikes since he can't do that in the game, he can just send that shield up once in a minute.

I have never in my entire life seen a health bar over a persons head.

A Nazgul can be killed as shown by the Witch-King, the leader and strongest of the Ringwraiths

And Word of Power injured a Nazgul in Battle for Middle-Earth when it was at his highest point.

Oh, this is gonna be good. (gets popcorn)

Aren't you even listening. Gandalf doesen't come from a game,

Jeez who am I controlling then in Battle for Middle Earth? 😕

that his Istaris light has killed people except in the game

Correct and this is a games forum.

I have never in my entire life seen a health bar over a persons head.

You mean you've never ever seen the bloody health bars? Do you even look at the screen when your playing the game?

So, even on the higher levels all the bosses take around 20 bullets to the head, is fatman something more than a human being, no.

None of the bosses in MGS are normal!

It could possibly mean you have to start over from the beginning like in the old days.

Well that would classify that the character dies and thus have to start all the way from the beginning.

And Gandalf has to reload his powers for a very long time

Actually at full power it takes very little time for his powers to reload.

Plus if I want I can cross reference between movie and game. The title of the thread says "Gandalf the White Wizard vs. Ganon the King of Evil" It does not say if he has to be from the movie or the games he is in.

Originally posted by Zen2nd

None of the bosses in MGS are normal!
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Are you telling me that Olga isnt normal person?? 😕

Probably the only example of a normal person but you only ever fight her with the tranquilizer gun.

Its besides the point.

kamikz just seems to want to go on some big rant on whether or not I can use the powers that Gandalf has in a game within a computer games versus forum.

We haven't even got around to discussing the topic as he keeps crying because Gandlaf has these powers which kamikz doesn't want him to have even though they are clearly in Battle for Middle Earth and this is clearly a games versus forum.

Hey! Don't rip on Kamikz, he's da president! 😠

Originally posted by Zen2nd
Probably the only example of a normal person but you only ever fight her with the tranquilizer gun.

Its besides the point.

kamikz just seems to want to go on some big rant on whether or not I can use the powers that Gandalf has in a game within a computer games versus forum.

We haven't even got around to discussing the topic as he keeps crying because Gandlaf has these powers which kamikz doesn't want him to have even though they are clearly in Battle for Middle Earth and this is clearly a games versus forum.

Why do I bother, you don't seem to get this at all. Ok then. Ganondorf cannot be damaged in the game unless you shoot a light arrow on him after parrying those energy balls into him, after that, Ganondorf would destroy the whole place, and after that Gandalf would have to fight Ganon who can only be damaged on his tail (do you actually think that Gandalf's agility is above Link's, would Gandalf have a chance of getting around him?) then finish him off with the master sword. After that, he would need Zelda to call the six sages to lock Ganondorf inside the sacred realm, since they could not kill him. So what will Gandalf's little Istaris light or any of his other powers do to Ganondorf.

And to say none of the bosses in metal gear's are normal is BS. What's special about Fatman, what's special about Olga, what's special about Ocelot. Actually, few and near none of the people in MGS can survive a bullet, even though most of them are special.

This is Ganon the King of Evil not Ganondorf so why bring up the boss fight from OoT?

It still take's the same matters to kill him, actually, nothing has proven to kill him, just weakening him. (Except if you mean the Ganon from the first Zelda game, but it still takes awefully much to kill him) You didn't say Gandalf from Battle for Middle-Earth, just Gandalf the White. That mean's Gandalf from the books, who is the canon version.

And Ganon in the first Zelda game can become invisible and teleport, and Gandalf can not see invisible people.

Agility you say?

You do know that Gandlaf the Grey took on a Balrog with just a sword and the use of his magic. I'm sure he can handle Ganon since he's not falling into the shadow realm while battling him.

Gandalf is way more magical than Link with his puny light arrows! Gandalfs staff is able to fire a beam wave of light! Both have the use of light so both would be effective.

How is Fatman normal? He's a fat guy that goes around on rollerblades planting C4! How is that normal?

If Ganon went invisible Ganadorf would still be able to detect where he is. He is a wizard after all. Its much like how the Ring Wraiths detect where the ring is when its on and can still see Frodo when he is invisible.

Do not judge Gandalf on his looks he is more powerful than you believe.

Originally posted by Zen2nd
Agility you say?

You do know that Gandlaf the Grey took on a Balrog with just a sword and the use of his magic. I'm sure he can handle Ganon since he's not falling into the shadow realm while battling him.

Gandalf is way more magical than Link with his puny light arrows! Gandalfs staff is able to fire a beam wave of light! Both have the use of light so both would be effective.

How is Fatman normal? He's a fat guy that goes around on rollerblades planting C4! How is that normal?

If Ganon went invisible Ganadorf would still be able to detect where he is. He is a wizard after all. Its much like how the Ring Wraiths detect where the ring is when its on and can still see Frodo when he is invisible.

Do not judge Gandalf on his looks he is more powerful than you believe.

And tell me, what does Gandalf have except his sword, staff and magics.
The Balrog had fallen into water and the fire had gone off, I doubt he could handle him on flat ground.

Puny light arrows. His master sword and his light arrows were said to be the only things that could destroy Ganon, even with this they could only capture him in the sacred realm. Gandalf is the one with puny light powers. What powers has he shown except Istaris light that is light?

Your missing the point. Does being fat and having roller skates make you able to resist 20 shots in the head? The discussion was that there is no logic in any of the bosses taking that much damage, of course Fatman is not normal, but is he a human, yes. Can he take bullets to the head, no.

No. When Gandalf and the dwarves were waiting for Bilbo to come out from the mountian (where he had met Gollum and gotten the ring), Bilbo wears it and sneaks up on all of them. Then he takes it off and Gandalf is suprised. Same goes with Bilbo putting it on when he's having his 111 birthday. Gandalf is shocked when he disappears, if he could see him he would not notice any difference.

I know alot about Gandalf, you don't seem to though since you belive the game is the canon version. I know Gandalf is good, but he can't beat Ganon. How come Gandalf climbed up a tree when wolves attacked him + 15 dwarves, and the best he could do was sending fire works at them.

Okay whatever has if it matters who wins. There not real anyway! So yeah whatever Ganon wins if you want. Here have this medal. hmmmm wow you won. I think? But they didn't really fight though....hmmmm so can we know for sure? ............. but since they are a part of our imagination I guess they will never die.

I'm saying this as I couldn't really be bothered to continue. After debating loads of characters it does get boring after a while and I must admit I do like going for the underdog sometimes as it makes it more interesting.

But to add, you never said why Ganon would beat Gandalf you only went on about light arrows and tails of all things.

Why are you saying it like that, "here have a medal, wow you won". What have I done against you, we were just debatting, if your going to get pissed of then you should take a break.

Yeah it's fun to take the underdog sometimes.

Well, Ganon had to giant swords and an incredible strenght, in a melee fight Gandalf is doomed. He would not be able to parry his strikes.
Even if Istaris light would effect Ganon it would not kill him, not near, and since he cannot keep it up forever he would not be able to hold out for that long.
Ganon could turn invisible, Gandalf can't see him.
Ganon could teleport beside him and strike him, Gandalf might not be able to dodge that figuring that Ganon has two giant swords (or a giant spear) that he would swing against him when they are close to eachother.

Originally posted by ESB - 1138
This is Ganon the King of Evil not Ganondorf so why bring up the boss fight from OoT?

How many times have we brought this up? They are the same person. Ganon is just another form of Ganondorf. It's one of his powers/abilities much like Gandalf's istari light attack. And we bring it up because even if Gandalf managed to somehow get through Ganondorf, how would he be able to get through Ganon when you have to hit him with the Master Sword?