Re: What did Jesus think?
Originally posted by Son of Man
People commonly say Jesus only understood himself as a good man, and moral teacher. That is totally against what he claimed of himself. So, what do you belive Jesus self-idenity was? Mine was that he belived he was The Son of God. Be ready to defend your beliefs. 🙂
So, do you think he believed he was the only son of god?
I think he believed that we are all the children of god.
My understanding is that Jesus referred to himself as the "son of God" only 2x in the Bible, in John, chapters 5 and 11. It was the language of the Jews at that time to use the phrase "son of God" as meaning a devout and religious individual. On the other hand, Jesus refers to himself as "son of Man" (at that time, meaning a human being) some 81 times.
Of course, there is also the role of the Roman emperor Constantine, and the influence he had on determining the nature of Jesus and his relationship to God.
Sorry, I beg to differ.
Jesus claimed to be God - John 8:24; 8:56-59 (see Exodus 3:14); John 10:30-33
When Peter called Jesus the Son of The livng God he blessed him for that. High priest asked if Jesus was the son of God and His answear was affirmative.
"Nathanael answered Him, 'Rabbi, You are the Son of God; You are the King of Israel.'" John 1:49. Jesus accepts, and in a way lesse him for this revalation.
"Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" John 20:28
Jesus was a montheistic Jew who would have rejected this title (not bless it) if he did not belivve in it.
Jesus is worshipped - Jesus said to worship God only, yet He receives worship.
Matt. 4:10 - "Then Jesus *said to him, 'Begone, Satan! For it is written, "You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only."’"
Matt. 2:2 - "Whre is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east, and have come to worship Him."
Matt. 2:11 - "And they came into the house and saw the Child with Mary His mother; and they fell down and worshiped Him; and opening their treasures they presented to Him gifts of gold and frankincense and myrrh."
Matt. 14:33 - "And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, "You are certainly God’s Son!"
Matt. 28:9 - "And behold, Jesus met them and greeted them. And they came up and took hold of His feet and worshiped Him."
John 9:35-38 - "Jesus heard that they had put him out; and finding him, He said, "Do you believe in the Son of Man?" 36He answered and said, "And who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?" 37Jesus said to him, "You have both seen Him, and He is the one who is talking with you." 38 And he said, "Lord, I believe." And he worshiped Him."
Heb. 1:6 - "And when He again brings the first-born into the world, He says, 'And let all the angels of God worship Him.'" (even angels do)
One of the classic offers of the Gospel is found in Matthew 11:28, “Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.” In this gracious command Jesus says that men should come unto “who?” He says “unto me.” This “unto me” is Jesus himself. In Isaiah 45:22 Jesus is borrowing the words of the prophet, “Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.” The “unto me” in both passages are parallel. Jesus is affirming His call of the Gospel as God affirms His call in Isaiah. God is the only source of salvation, and Jesus borrows this to show that He is the only source of salvation – Jesus is God.
Also,Jesus tells the disciples that they should believe in God as their object of faith. But in John 14:1, Jesus says, “Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.” Belief in God is an act of worship and trust in His name. Jesus says that we should believe in Him as we believe in God. The element of faith is the same. In this trust, Jesus is magnified. Jesus Christ is also to be honored in the same way as the Father as John 5:22 demonstrates, “That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.” Both are equally honored, and this could not be done unless Christ was God. Otherwise we would give the honor to a mere man that is due to God alone.
Not only do men worship Jesus, but angels are commanded to worship Him as well. Hebrews 1:6 speaks of Christ when it says, “And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.” In fact, angels, men and all creatures are commanded to bow down to Him and worship Him, “all shall bow to Him Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” (Philippians 2:9-11) This is also seen in Revelation 5:13, “And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.” The Lamb, Jesus Christ, is worshipped forever because he is God.
In John 12:40-41 the Scriptures say, “He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him” John is quoting Isaiah 6:9-10. Isaiah spoke of Christ, as John interprets this, when the vision came to Isaiah in chapter 6, “And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.” The One who is holy, holy, holy on the throne is Christ, according to John, and the inspired Word. This is the meaning of the vision of Isaiah. The angels in Isaiah’s vision say “holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty, the whole earth is full of His glory.” The Almighty God is Jesus Christ according to John 12:40-41.
Jesus said that He came to fufill the phopets, so this must apply to Him.
Psalm 110:1 attests a dialogue between God and God. David writes, “The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.” Jesus uses this quite nicely against the Pharisees when he asks them how this could be David’s Lord and yet his son at the same time. The Messiah will be of the tribe of Judah, David’s son, yet David’s Lord. The wording here must also be noted. The literal translation says “Yahweh said to my Adonai…” The term “Yahweh” is God’s name, literally stated “I am.” Each time the designation Yahweh is wused in the Bible through the Old Testament it refers to the “Great I AM”. The title “Adonai” is used in desiognating God’s supreme poasition as “Lord.” So Yahweh is speaking to Adonai. Here we see God speaking to God.
Jesus said that He came to fufill the phopets, so this must apply to Him.
P.s. Jesus claimed to be the son of God to the samritian woman, to his Aposles, the High priest, Pilate. He claimed I AM, he said he and the Ftaher are one, He applied OT phocies to Himself.Later
Jesus said that He was the only One who reveals the Father (Matt. 11:27 and Luke 10:22): "All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no one knows who the Father is except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him" (NIV).
He also calls himself the Son of God here. It is all through The Bible.
John 13:19, "I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am He."
Luke 23:3, "So Pilate asked Jesus, "Are you the king of the Jews?" "Yes, it is as you say," Jesus replied
Jesus claimed the following...
The Scriptures bear witness of Jesus - John 5:39
Jesus came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets - Matt. 5:17
Jesus has all authority - Matt. 28:18; John 5:26-27; 17:2; 3:35
Jesus has his own angels-Matthew 16:27
He [Jesus]... was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God. John 5:18
Also Pliny The Younger: (112 A.D.) Roman historian talks about how early christians treated Jesus like a God, (Long befor constanine.)
His words are....""They (the Christians) were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food—but food of an ordinary and innocent kind."
Im done with typin. Im going to bed. 🙂 later.