superman cannot rely on the speedblitz tactic 10/10
hulk has sensory powers that will allow him to know the point where superman is at
Deep underground, the Hulk senses the approach of the Vision from above. IH #128
http://img54.echo.cx/img54/6928/mystical085fz.jpg
off-topic, but the Hulk can sense the presence of magic and track its emanations.
http://img137.exs.cx/img137/8595/mysticsense5ho.jpg
t-vo wont beat hulk; he has shown resistance against other powerful forces:
The Hulk overcomes the Stranger's command to remain motionless. TTA #89
http://img27.exs.cx/img27/1849/stranger27nq.jpg
The Hulk resists the Shaper of Worlds. IH #155
http://img147.exs.cx/img147/9926/mentalresistanceshaper1a1nl.jpg
http://img147.exs.cx/img147/4828/mentalresistanceshaper1b8xw.jpg
superman cant also bombard him from space with hv forever; hulk at this level probably has better duro than supes (including regen.)
hulk can just jump into space and give supes thunderclaps powerful enough to destroy the dark cosmos (a seperate universe)
Originally posted by hawkeye111
superman cannot rely on the speedblitz tactic 10/10hulk has sensory powers that will allow him to know the point where superman is at
Deep underground, the Hulk senses the approach of the Vision from above. IH #128
http://img54.echo.cx/img54/6928/mystical085fz.jpg
off-topic, but the Hulk can sense the presence of magic and track its emanations.
http://img137.exs.cx/img137/8595/mysticsense5ho.jpgt-vo wont beat hulk; he has shown resistance against other powerful forces:
The Hulk overcomes the Stranger's command to remain motionless. TTA #89
http://img27.exs.cx/img27/1849/stranger27nq.jpgThe Hulk resists the Shaper of Worlds. IH #155
http://img147.exs.cx/img147/9926/mentalresistanceshaper1a1nl.jpg
http://img147.exs.cx/img147/4828/mentalresistanceshaper1b8xw.jpgsuperman cant also bombard him from space with hv forever; hulk at this level probably has better duro than supes (including regen.)
hulk can just jump into space and give supes thunderclaps powerful enough to destroy the dark cosmos (a seperate universe)
Get out.
Originally posted by hawkeye111Even if he doesn't rely on his speed, (which would give him a 1000000/10) he still is:
superman cannot rely on the speedblitz tactic 10/10hulk has sensory powers that will allow him to know the point where superman is at
Deep underground, the Hulk senses the approach of the Vision from above. IH #128
http://img54.echo.cx/img54/6928/mystical085fz.jpg
off-topic, but the Hulk can sense the presence of magic and track its emanations.
http://img137.exs.cx/img137/8595/mysticsense5ho.jpgt-vo wont beat hulk; he has shown resistance against other powerful forces:
The Hulk overcomes the Stranger's command to remain motionless. TTA #89
http://img27.exs.cx/img27/1849/stranger27nq.jpgThe Hulk resists the Shaper of Worlds. IH #155
http://img147.exs.cx/img147/9926/mentalresistanceshaper1a1nl.jpg
http://img147.exs.cx/img147/4828/mentalresistanceshaper1b8xw.jpgsuperman cant also bombard him from space with hv forever; hulk at this level probably has better duro than supes (including regen.)
hulk can just jump into space and give supes thunderclaps powerful enough to destroy the dark cosmos (a seperate universe)
a) stronger. Disagree? Of course. When has Hulk turned wheels that dwarfed a solar system? Show me scans of Hulk actually hurting Surfer. Superman hurt Doomsday.
b) more duribile.
c) smarter.
d) a better fighter.
e) etc, etc.
Ok,
a) first of all, hulk hurting surfer (both are weakened):
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/4989/surfer2ih95f0no.jpg
mageddon wheel isnt very impressive:
1. as unquantifiable as world serpent feat
2. superman was pulling gears so he would need to apply less force since the energy is transferred to the next gear. Also, all he did was pull it. This really isnt difficult unless the gears are enormous, which they arent.
3. this wasnt even post-crisis supes best strength feat.
heres some good hulk strength feats:
Beyonder: "The Hulk is an infinity of power." SECRET WARS II #8
http://files.photojerk.com/Jonathanos/Strongest-SWII8.jpg
The Hulk overcomes a field of energy powerful enough to change the orbit of a planet TTA #89
http://img133.exs.cx/img133/5136/stranger1qs.jpg
The Hulk's punch causes the entire Dark Cosmos to be lit. IH #126
http://img142.exs.cx/img142/8325/darkcosmos17ct.jpg
The Hulk endures and then deflects the Night-Crawler's sonic attack which was so powerful it destroys the Dark Cosmos. IH #126
http://img142.exs.cx/img142/8388/darkcosmos23zl.jpg
http://img140.exs.cx/img140/6100/darkcosmos30sy.jpg
Punching through a time-storm. IH #135
http://img219.echo.cx/img219/9757/featstimestorm9qs.jpg
The Hulk and Ironclad collide, sending concussive force throughout countless dimensions IH #305
http://img99.echo.cx/img99/5029/ironcladcollision8wn.jpg
With a little help from rocket springs, the Hulk shatters an asteroid calculated to be twice the size of Earth. MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS #52
http://img135.echo.cx/img135/6304/asteroid15sc.jpg
http://img11.echo.cx/img11/3581/featsasteroid1a7xe.jpg
b) superman takes a lot of moderate damage, but only a few high damage tests, the 1 mil nuke blast is probably not even planetary (earth size planet). Supes taking a beating from H/P doomsday was probably as good as the bomb part of the feat.
hulk takes blasts from asgardian destroyer (he was holding his own in the fight as well)
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/2964/asgardiandestroyer1e9ae.jpg
takes severe lightning from warrior madness thor (also had upper hand at end of fight)
http://img189.echo.cx/img189/5756/thorih440h7zp.jpg
http://img189.echo.cx/img189/9498/thorih440i1tq.jpg
proof that it is WM Thor:
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/746/thorih440l5ho.jpg
takes stuff hulk-buster gives out:
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/3981/hulkbusters1c0tl.jpg
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/1356/hulkbusters1d1ht.jpg
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/2055/hulkbusters1g1sw.jpg
c) both heroes are better than other in different departments
While he has a greater scope of knowledge, even Dr. Doom admits that he is no match for Banner in Banner’s fields of expertise. IH #143.
http://img267.echo.cx/img267/8043/intelligenceunparalleled2qa.jpg
It is child's play for Bruce Banner to analyze and rebuild Reed Richards' equipment. GIANT-SIZE SUPER-HEROES #1.
http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/3388/intgssh1a6iw.jpg
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/5116/intgssh1b1bo.jpg
d) superman is better fighter, not arguing against
e) superman has better other powers, not arguing against
im not saying that hulk wins, i just think that hulk wouldnt lose 10/10
Originally posted by hawkeye111I see someone took a gander at the Hulk respect thread.
Ok,
a) first of all, hulk hurting surfer (both are weakened):
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/4989/surfer2ih95f0no.jpg
mageddon wheel isnt very impressive:
1. as unquantifiable as world serpent feat
2. superman was pulling gears so he would need to apply less force since the energy is transferred to the next gear. Also, all he did was pull it. This really isnt difficult unless the gears are enormous, which they arent.
3. this wasnt even post-crisis supes best strength feat.
heres some good hulk strength feats:
Beyonder: "The Hulk is an infinity of power." SECRET WARS II #8
http://files.photojerk.com/Jonathanos/Strongest-SWII8.jpg
The Hulk overcomes a field of energy powerful enough to change the orbit of a planet TTA #89
http://img133.exs.cx/img133/5136/stranger1qs.jpg
The Hulk's punch causes the entire Dark Cosmos to be lit. IH #126
http://img142.exs.cx/img142/8325/darkcosmos17ct.jpg
The Hulk endures and then deflects the Night-Crawler's sonic attack which was so powerful it destroys the Dark Cosmos. IH #126
http://img142.exs.cx/img142/8388/darkcosmos23zl.jpg
http://img140.exs.cx/img140/6100/darkcosmos30sy.jpg
Punching through a time-storm. IH #135
http://img219.echo.cx/img219/9757/featstimestorm9qs.jpg
The Hulk and Ironclad collide, sending concussive force throughout countless dimensions IH #305
http://img99.echo.cx/img99/5029/ironcladcollision8wn.jpg
With a little help from rocket springs, the Hulk shatters an asteroid calculated to be twice the size of Earth. MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS #52
http://img135.echo.cx/img135/6304/asteroid15sc.jpg
http://img11.echo.cx/img11/3581/featsasteroid1a7xe.jpg
b) superman takes a lot of moderate damage, but only a few high damage tests, the 1 mil nuke blast is probably not even planetary (earth size planet). Supes taking a beating from H/P doomsday was probably as good as that part of the feat.
hulk takes blasts from asgardian destroyer (he was holding his own in the fight as well)
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/2964/asgardiandestroyer1e9ae.jpg
takes severe lightning from warrior madness thor (also had upper hand at end of fight)
http://img189.echo.cx/img189/5756/thorih440h7zp.jpg
http://img189.echo.cx/img189/9498/thorih440i1tq.jpg
proof that it is WM Thor:
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/746/thorih440l5ho.jpg
takes stuff hulk-buster gives out:
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/3981/hulkbusters1c0tl.jpg
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/1356/hulkbusters1d1ht.jpg
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/2055/hulkbusters1g1sw.jpg
c) both heroes are better than other in different departments
While he has a greater scope of knowledge, even Dr. Doom admits that he is no match for Banner in Banner’s fields of expertise. IH #143.
http://img267.echo.cx/img267/8043/intelligenceunparalleled2qa.jpg
It is child's play for Bruce Banner to analyze and rebuild Reed Richards' equipment. GIANT-SIZE SUPER-HEROES #1.
http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/3388/intgssh1a6iw.jpg
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/5116/intgssh1b1bo.jpgd) superman is better fighter, not arguing against
e) superman has better other powers, not arguing againstim not saying that hulk wins, i just think that hulk wouldnt lose 10/10
Surfer didn't have access to his Power C in that fight.
Bannerless Hulk has also failed to do anything to Surfer, that wasn't even trying.
Oh I bet turning the wheels wasn't very impressive. Punching someone halfway across the solar system? Like when Superman punched Wonder Woman.
Hmmm, how am I going to answer that?
Are you really trying to say that Hulk has more power than, say, Eternity? You used an infinity well of power as an example, so if you don't agree, then don't bring it up.
Only powerful enough to change the orbit?
Just a question. How big is the Dark Cosmos? Also, I think I am going to call pis.
Punching through the time storm? Ya...
How the hell is Ironlad going to be able to help cause shockwaves? That is just plain stupid.
So, basically Grey Hulk, propelled by rocket springs, is going to be able to to do this? Wouldn't this also put the Earth in more danger than it was originally in?
I thought that nuke was a solar system destroying nuke... and he absorbed it.
You really believe that Hulk is going to be able to fight a Maestro controled Asgardian Destroyer? He also got his skin ripped up there in that scan.
Actually, that was Maestro that fought that Thor. You know, the one that has twice the radiation? He also didn't hurt Thor once in that fight (I'm pretty sure).
You do know that on-panel the Hulk Buster said he was only a 125 pounder? Is this the best showing imaginable?
Do you honestly believe that a scientist, edges Doom out in anything?
Reed is way, way smarter than Banner.
Also none of this is even relevent, because is Banner going to fight Superman?
Is Smart Hulk going to fight Superman?
Didn't think so.
Does Savage Hulk have the intellegence of Banner?
No of course not... Hulk would lose 100/10.
Originally posted by bigbranu talk like he doesnt get stronger hulks potential in the strenght area is higher than superman's even if hulk does start off weaker he would eventually surpass him
And he isn't as strong to beat Superman for the majority in h2h.Or strong enough to get a win off of Superman in an all powers match.
