Originally posted by Cosmic CubeDisagree, but thats not the point here, the point is that Onslaught loss to a bunch of mutants, Surfer has taken out an elder god.........Onslaught couldnt even contain earth, how is he gonna contain a cosmic???
Juggernaut would never touch Surfer. However, without use of telepathy, Surfer would be unable to affect Juggernaut either.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Juggernaut would never touch Surfer. However, without use of telepathy, Surfer would be unable to affect Juggernaut either.
ya, thats what the apples to apples thing was all about
its pretty pointless to say onslaught physically roughed up juggs, as juggs is an entire differant kettle of fish than SS
I dont think anyone however is saying surfer stands a chance once either X man or franklin are brought into the picture
BTW, how resistant to TK is surfer?
onslought only lost due to PIS he was beating everyone it was when people began jumping into his energy being that he was being messed up and no mutants could jump in cause it was theorized that if a mutant did jump in he would become unstoppable and ive already said i dont see SS tearing the ruby of cyttorak out of juggernaut.
Originally posted by King KAM
Disagree, but thats not the point here, the point is that Onslaught loss to a bunch of mutants, Surfer has taken out an elder god.........Onslaught couldnt even contain earth, how is he gonna contain a cosmic???
Onslaught "lost" to the combined force of Franklin Richards, the Savage Hulk and the non-mutant heroes of Earth. He created a second sun, for Christ's sake. Did you read the Onslaught Saga?
What elder god did Surfer defeat?
Originally posted by Mider
onslought only lost due to PIS he was beating everyone it was when people began jumping into his energy being that he was being messed up and no mutants could jump in cause it was theorized that if a mutant did jump in he would become unstoppable and ive already said i dont see SS tearing the ruby of cyttorak out of juggernaut.
thats because surfer wouldnt rely on his str to beat juggs like onslaught
even with invulnerability, juggs becomes an eternal moving target for SS to practice with
Originally posted by King KAM
Disagree, but thats not the point here, the point is that Onslaught loss to a bunch of mutants, Surfer has taken out an elder god.........Onslaught couldnt even contain earth, how is he gonna contain a cosmic???
Onslaught lost because he was a temporary character. The only reason they created him was so that they could have an near all-powerful villian that would require the heroes to "sacrafice" their lives to defeat and start the whole "Heroes Reborn" line. Marvel never intended him to be permanent character.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cubehe has defeated the runner, in their re-match. And the onlsaught saga was more garbage than the house of M, onslaught is a walking plot device, who isnt a spec on any cosmics ass.
Onslaught "lost" to the combined force of Franklin Richards, the Savage Hulk and the non-mutant heroes of Earth. He created a second sun, for Christ's sake. Did you read the Onslaught Saga?What elder god did Surfer defeat?
Originally posted by TheKahn
Onslaught lost because he was a temporary character. The only reason they created him was so that they could have an near all-powerful villian that would require the heroes to "sacrafice" their lives to defeat and start the whole "Heroes Reborn" line. Marvel never intended him to be permanent character.
co-sign
(I still think he kicked ass though)
Originally posted by Mider
onslought only lost due to PIS he was beating everyone it was when people began jumping into his energy being that he was being messed up and no mutants could jump in cause it was theorized that if a mutant did jump in he would become unstoppable and ive already said i dont see SS tearing the ruby of cyttorak out of juggernaut.
Onslaught shouldn't have been capable of doing it either, since it was never there. But I agree with the notion that Surfer loses.
Originally posted by inamilist
ya, thats what the apples to apples thing was all aboutits pretty pointless to say onslaught physically roughed up juggs, as juggs is an entire differant kettle of fish than SS
I dont think anyone however is saying surfer stands a chance once either X man or franklin are brought into the picture
BTW, how resistant to TK is surfer?
I don't know, but he does possess some psychic abilities.
Originally posted by TheKahnso then he shouldnt even be counted in this forum considering everything he has done was based on aplot device correct????
Onslaught lost because he was a temporary character. The only reason they created him was so that they could have an near all-powerful villian that would require the heroes to "sacrafice" their lives to defeat and start the whole "Heroes Reborn" line. Marvel never intended him to be permanent character.
Originally posted by Cosmic CubeWrong
Regardless, the Silver Surfer would lose to him.
Originally posted by inamilistnot bitter at all, I am simply stating that he lost to a bunch of muties, who cant take silver surfer even if earth was depending on it.
stop being bitteryou really dont have to debate about it
there are plenty of "acceptable" characters being debated as we speak
Originally posted by King KAM
Wrong not bitter at all, I am simply stating that he lost to a bunch of muties, who cant take silver surfer even if earth was depending on it.
i really think you are underrating the onslaught character, though i can see why
the best i could see surfer doing to a final stage onslaught would be breaking his armor and releasing the "pure thought" onslaught
at which point i dont think surfer has a way to harm him
its the "becomes pure telekenetik energy" thing that makes onalsaught the victor in my books, as I'm pretty sure surfer has fought people who are powerful enough to create suns
Originally posted by King KAM
he is one of the elder gods, just like the champion is, they are all considered the elder gods and u know it, stop attempting to be pissy.
They are Elders of the Universe. NOT Elder Gods. The Elder Gods are guys like Atum, Chthon, and Set. Surfer would be eaten alive by any one of them.
Onslaught would spank all of the Elders of the Universe. Together.
Onslaught did not lose to the X-Men. He lost to circumstances.
Surfer. Loses. Accept it.
Originally posted by inamilist
its the "becomes pure telekenetik energy" thing that makes onalsaught the victor in my books, as I'm pretty sure surfer has fought people who are powerful enough to create suns
Such as? I've seen him refuel stars, and even destroy them, but creating them is another matter entirely.