Originally posted by Koala MeatPie
You want me to find a paper that has been signed over 200 years ago for specific places up north!?Why sure I'll just go amrch into Parlement this minute.
So wait..you tell me to sjust take your word for it? Right...I'll do that......or maybe I will jsut assume that it is not your Water since it is not your water.
Originally posted by Koala MeatPie
You want me to find a paper that has been signed over 200 years ago for specific places up north!?Why sure I'll just go amrch into Parlement this minute.
LOL haha yeah know what I am sure the US govt asked them to produce those papers as well. Making sure the appropriate signatures are on there because I am sure our founding fathers will have signed that document acknowledging this self proclaimed territory of OCEAN🙂
Stow it you would do better to pick some other topic like how the USA is taking water from Canada then research it and post a topic but this piece is just a hot head response....................mostly upset that your govt cannot do what we can and thats CAPITALIZE on some resources in OPEN waters🙂
Re: Re: Re: -=- Us Declairs War On Canada! -=-
Originally posted by Koala MeatPie
I am looking at what all of This Is leading to.Our Allies?
They take everything from us and don't give it back.
Remember the Missile Shield?
They are using OUR Satellites (which there's yes) And then they say we have to pay THEM 1.2 billion (exact amount not known) to be Included in the protection program?
They RAISE taxes on the border For lumber, which we are selling them at "Bargain bob" Prices? And REFUSE to reduce them?
They want to Build A Pipeline and drain our water from the North, We said no, And then they say we are a threat to them because we are blocking there advancements?
HELL, they build an underground pipeline (its there, it's built) That stops A mile away from the Fraser River in the sole purpose of Turning the water so they use it?
They get roused up and calls us names because of one Mad Cow and as soon as 9/11 hit a day later we are there friends and allies?
They blame US for the Shortage that happened in New york a few years ago, even thought it was An American plant that failed (We had to cut power so a short doesn't happen)
And MUCH MUCH MORE.
And now they want to drill for Oil in OUR waters!?
Thats just too much, The U.S. DOES NOT own Canada.
You are simplifying a complicated issue. Sure there are politicians and corporate apes that want what we have, but the majority of Americans (if made aware of their gov't's actions) would be embarrassed by the manner that they conduct business. Instead of inciting hostility, perhaps you should talk intelligently.
Now is a time for action, it's just you seem incapable of knowing how to conduct yourself and deciding on proper courses of action.
Originally posted by Koala MeatPie
Oh F*ck you.
Why should I start a thread if you only go ontop of me becasue you are a mod, and I said I did not want the title re-named?
I smell a banning coming on...and I wouldn't be sad to see you go.
Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
I'm sure that's not very intelligent at all.
Originally posted by Koala MeatPie
And making little snid coments is any better?
It's 'snide'. You forgot the "e". When retorting to a comment regarding your intelligence, it is in your best interest to show some.
Originally posted by long pig
You'll give us your waters and you'll do it with a smile.I'm still surprised we haven't made Canada our 51st state.
Another ignorant member. I hear trolling is a bannable offense, I'd love to see you and Koala banned appropriately. I'm sure the I.Q. and common sense levels would spike upwards in your absence.
Another ignorant member. I hear trolling is a bannable offense, I'd love to see you and Koala banned appropriately. I'm sure the I.Q. and common sense levels would spike upwards in your absence.Chill out. If you weren't so hoity toity trying to prove something, you could maybe enjoy life, it's an enjoyable thing.
Humm. This is interesting. First off I despise when the US thinks it can do as it wishes. (Which is a lot of time time unfortunately)
For my whole life I've been taught that above the Territories belongs to Canada (as shown in the Map provided). That area has always been in world maps as Canadian territory.
However, this could cause a major issue. If we (Canada) do indeed have the proper documents saying it is ours, but it conflicts with more contemporary international definitions. Meaning, if the claim on that area was signed and documented before the current international boundaries were declared then we have a conflicting problem.
The problem arises because that area is ice formations. Hawaii is located 2500 miles from the mainland United States, but it is still considered a State. however, it is land. As well there is Alaska, about 500 miles of Canadian territory separate Alaska from the mainland US. but it is also land.
I have no solution to this problem, but it wont be pretty. I hope we fight for it though. Needless to say it could erupt into another major issue between the US and Canada.
We have the papers (presumably) that claim that area as ours. And the US has current international laws. What will happen is 'Someone' will have to decide if that area indeed constitutes international 'waters'. but we'll just have to wait and see.
I am still waiting for a link to provide a source that this paper actually exists and isn't just KMP's imagination. (besides who can actually give canada that Water since it never ever belonged to one. A Paper won't change it. Now if the American at one time had signed a paper that they accept Canada is the owner of thios Water (not forced of course) then thatis different. At least the US would have no reason to claim the water (all other countries on the other hand could jsut as Canadadoes)
No, its not an issue of if the Americans signed anything. Its an issue of when the paper (if it exists, which it must or we (Canada) would be stupid for not allowing the US to do whatever) was signed. The problem is recent law vs. laws before recent law.
OR even more simple, did Canada EVER have a right to claim that area? Thats the point. If at one point in history we did (when we claimed it) and now by current standards we do not have the right to claim it. Which one wins?
A difficult question to answer.
Its not a big deal at any rate. Canada has by far the most fresh water in the world. Studies already show that this will make Canada extremely rich in the future when all the other countries (especially the US) need that water. So whatever, Canada is already the Water king of the world.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: -=- Us Declairs War On Canada! -=-
Originally posted by Koala MeatPie
Oh F*ck you.
Why should I start a thread if you only go ontop of me becasue you are a mod, and I said I did not want the title re-named?
Next time you use language with that with a mod who is doing his job, you will be banned. That is an absolute, it is not up for debate. One more time and you are out of here.
Meanwhile, let's boil this down to two important points:
1. The idea that Canada owns those waters, by international law, is extremely hazy at best
2. The US is not trying to CLAIM the waters, they are saying the waters are neutral territory.
So this anti-US rhetoric is rather unseemly.
Hazy? Maybe. But it still boils down to did we ever have a right to claim it? If we did at some point and we did in fact claim it, and thats conflicting with current international law, then who is right?
Imagine if all of the sudden International law stated that claiming a land mass through aggressive means was not grounds for those persons to claim it at all. Then by a technicality, the USA would not have claim to their country. This is just a purposely extreme example to prove my point. Who wins in this case, the USA who, at the time had the right to claim this land by aggressive means, or current international law that says people cant claim land masses through aggressive means? See what I mean.
Worthless? not quite. You just said "Boundaries are worthless unless internationally recognised". What if the world decided that the USA was technically no longer recognizable by current standards? Obviously that seems absurd, and it is. But it illustrates a point. It becomes the country vs. the world. Who is correct then? Logic would say the world. But there is also something intrinsically wrong about that statement when viewed through the eyes of the persons who's land (or otherwise) is "up for grabs".
There is a natural conflict in these types of arguments. The world would seem to be correct. But not always does that make sense.
Again, that is an example too extreme to be useful. But in any case, the USA would fight for it, and the borders would simply HAVE to be accepted.
Let's put this into perspective.
The US does not recognise the waters as Canadian.
The EU does not recognise the waters as Canadian
Japan does not recognise the waters as Canadian.
There is no part of international law that says they are Canadian
The chances of Canada fighting for the waters are pretty much zero.
Hence, if no-one recognises their claim, it is worthless. THAT is how the world is. People are going to use the waters as international straights and there is not a damn thing Canada can do about it other than moan. No-one believes or accepts what they say.