Originally posted by golem370According to what was posted, time travel was apperently available to Surfer via special circumstances. Superman could do it instantly whenever he wanted, in fact, he was so back and forth, time didn't really exist to him.
How about a multi pleWarp Speed power Punches. Or going back in time and putting baby Kal El into a Red Sun.
Truth is, he may be able to just punch him out.
It's hard to argue against Pre Crisis Superman, because he's not a solid comic character, this is the same reason I don't like it when people start using 70s-80s feats from Marvel characters and claiming they're canon. Back then, comic characters were TOONS compared to current ones. Superman was an especially powerful Toon, able to make shit up with the likes of Bugs Bunny[the King Toon, mind you.] and even shared some comics with him.
His powerset, when considered at face value, make him pretty much unstoppable by ANY means. He could make it from Earth to the edge of the universe in a single panel, push away a galaxy with nothing but his ring finger and then be snagged out of the air by a cowboy with a lasso'ed rope and a bad attitude.
Originally posted by golem370He can use super vision for that. He can see across any distance, even time and dimensions can be viewed. Superman has battled many time traveling opponents, he knows how to do it. .But Superman is MUCHHHH more likely to time travel than Surfer is, as it's not consistantly in his powerset.
Even If Superman could time travel he still have to know when Silver Surfer to and then stop him from doing what Silver Surfer was trying to do.
Originally posted by golem370Of course Surfer's going to get wins, I'm not saying it's going to be a landslide, but it's CERTAINLY written into Superman's pre crisis abilities to be able to handle pretty much everything thrown at him.
I say Silver Surfer could at least 2/10 at least at first.
I just get tired of the "He shoots Kryptonite at him. Surfer wins !" when even current Superman has survived such circumstances dozens of times and came out on top.
Originally posted by Juntai
His powerset, when considered at face value, make him pretty much unstoppable by ANY means. He could make it from Earth to the edge of the universe in a single panel, push away a galaxy with nothing but his ring finger and then be snagged out of the air by a cowboy with a lasso'ed rope and a bad attitude.
That's a valid point. Characters' abilities seem to increase when they're facing more powerful opponents. Or is there any other explanations for such fights as Ghost Rider and Vengeance vs Blackheart or Adam Warlock vs Mephisto?
Abilities don't remain the same in Marvel nor DC, and that's one thing bugging me real hard. Once Ghost Rider is beaten by a bunch of hoodlums, but soon he's killing Black Heart. It's ludicrous.
One writer made Surfer destroy Galactus and one made him kick Mephisto's ass in Hell. One made him enlarge a snow-globe-sized city to regular measures and one made him go through time with ease. One wrote him to be toppled over by Namor. (snort)
As long as they can't establish solid character power levels, it's always subjective to the writer, who will win in what fight. I'm not going to bicker about the matter all day long as your view on pre-crisis superman is one and mine is another. Silver surfer's abilities are too much for Supes to handle in my opinion. Also, Superman, no matter what version, is so lametastic it makes me nauseous, and therefore, nothing you say or he does (except suicide) will change my mind:
Superman sucks.
His powers are a clear show of miniscule imagination. It was stupid when he was jack-of-all-trades, when he turned into God, it got absolutely ridiculous. Because teenage boys liked the all-powerful dude, no artistic touch or depth ever got into the man of Teflon. His personality... well, I'll be sure to comment on it once he develops one. His biography is absurd, actually, I think The Attack of The Fifty-Foot Woman has a better plot. He looks nothing short of a 5-year-old's scribble and the greedy money-hogs owning his copyrights were afraid of their sales dropping if they improved him even a little.
Pseudo-scientific, humourless, untelligent, intangible, contentless, edgless, pointless. A brain fart that grew completely out of proportion. There's only one thing good about this dumpling - he inspired comic writers to invent something readable.
That's why he sucks.
Originally posted by Tulika
Pseudo-scientific, humourless, untelligent, intangible, contentless, edgless, pointless. A brain fart that grew completely out of proportion. There's only one thing good about this dumpling - he inspired comic writers to invent something readable.
Like with all characters...this depends on the writer. I've read good Superman stories.
A character doesn't have to be "badass" to be good.