Yoda Vs Sidious Who Would Win?

In lightsaber combat, Yoda won. Sidious was disarmed.

In terms of the force they are NOT equal. Yoda pushed back from a position of disadvantage in the force battle. That's the equivalent of being in an arm wrestling match, being almost defeated, and then suddenly pushing it all the way back against the opponent. That's called "superior strength". There was no equality there.

No sensible warrior puts his weapon away.

And Lucas didn't put Yoda disarming him in the movie so how do you know what happened didn't also change in his mind?

1- The script says he was disarmed. Script > your opinion.

2- Sidious was throwing pods down, which Yoda stopped instantly. Yoda threw a pod up, and Sidious could not/would not stop it. Hence, Sidious is not BETTER.

3- First, no, he doesn't. You obviously know NOTHING of combat. Second, Yoda did not become overconfidant, and he did not "get himself disarmed". Maybe you wanted to see that, but that's not what happened. Get over it. And third, Lucas put in the script Yoda disarming Sidious. In the movie, it is not shown whether he was disarmed or he tucked his saber away (Because the scene is missing). Are you expecting me to believe based on 1) defiance of common sense (A warrior putting his blade away) and B) in direct contradiction to the official script that Sidious put his blade away?

Nonsense.

2.) There is nothing to show that Sidious was better at throwning pods, becuase all he had to do was lift the pods, and let gravity take it's course, while Yoda on the other hand, withheld the force of gravity, and threw a pod upwards at Sidious, who could not block it.

1- The script says he was disarmed. Script > your opinion.

2- Sidious was throwing pods down, which Yoda stopped instantly. Yoda threw a pod up, and Sidious could not/would not stop it. Hence, Sidious is not BETTER.

3- First, no, he doesn't. You obviously know NOTHING of combat.

Second, Yoda did not become overconfidant, and he did not "get himself disarmed".

Are you expecting me to believe based on 1) defiance of common sense (A warrior putting his blade away) and B) in direct contradiction to the official script that Sidious put his blade away?

2.) There is nothing to show that Sidious was better at throwning pods, becuase all he had to do was lift the pods, and let gravity take it's course, while Yoda on the other hand, withheld the force of gravity, and threw a pod upwards at Sidious, who could not block it.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Sidious was chucking multiple pods at once. And he also had to throw them at a downward angle. And at first he picked up 2-3 pods, from behind him, up above his head, at the same time.

What if just the novel said it?

1. Throwing multiple pods down at a time. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't he the only one from the movies to move more than one object at once?

I think he was also the only one in the Movies to lose three times.

2. Stopped instantly? Okay, I know your on Yoda's side but this is a bit overkill. Yoda struggled to evade them and then, after evading 3-4 pods stopped one. Sidious didn't even try to stop it. This in no way means he couldn't, for he delibaretly choose to laugh instead and then jump to the side, which, if you havn't noticed, was the last thing he did, other than the lightning, before he won.

Yoda was on the lower ground. Did YOU NOT see what happened during that Movie when the lesser skilled Duelist got the high ground? PR4WN4G3!!!!!

Did you ever think Sidious didn't stop it because he couldn't? Sidious has been know to be Cowardly and to take any Advantage he can get. You think he would go lower if he had to? Giving up the higest ground possible? I didn't see Sidious spinning any Pods either. Just taking them out of their slots and throwing 'em down.

You mean the same Lightning Yoda absorbed and threw back at Sidious, making his face shribble in fear?

Yoda flew off the Podium because he was tiny. Sidious was a grown man. What do you think would have happened if both fell to the floor?

Yoda lost to his own power and Gravity.

I've heard that enough out of you.

Uh oh.

Better watch out, Janus.

Sidious was chucking multiple pods at once. And he also had to throw them at a downward angle. And at first he picked up 2-3 pods, from behind him, up above his head, at the same time.

I can imagine how much easier it would be to throw pods down than up.

^ Sarcasm.

I'm glad he picked up so many. It made up for him not being able to dodge Yoda chucking one back at him.

I suddenly remember why I don't debate with you, darthsith. You don't make any sense.

Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
I suddenly remember why I don't debate with you, darthsith. You don't make any sense.

Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
I suddenly remember why I don't debate with you, darthsith. You don't make any sense.

😆 when do any of us make sense.

Originally posted by Thorin
😆 when do any of us make sense.

That was a ridiculous question.

What if just the novel said it?

The official script is the movie in written form. The novelization allows for interpretation on the part of the author. GL reads and makes corrections to the script, he does not do so for the novelization. Elements of the novelization at the author's discretion are not G-canon. An example of this is that the script says Mace kicked the saber from Sidious' hand, while the novelization said he slashed it. Script > Novelization.

1. Throwing multiple pods down at a time. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't he the only one from the movies to move more than one object at once?

When was it shown that he threw them? He just had to break the beam and watch this marvvelous phenomenom called projectile motion go into effect. Yoda had to stop them, reverse them, and chuck them back. Learn physics.

And you're full of bullshit. Moments earlier, Yoda tosses and knocks out both of Sidious' guards with a wave of his hand.

2. Stopped instantly? Okay, I know your on Yoda's side but this is a bit overkill. Yoda struggled to evade them and then, after evading 3-4 pods stopped one. Sidious didn't even try to stop it. This in no way means he couldn't, for he delibaretly choose to laugh instead and then jump to the side, which, if you havn't noticed, was the last thing he did, other than the lightning, before he won.

Is that why his demeanor changed? Why he stopped laughing, his expression changed, and he had to suddenly leap out of the way? You have nothing but baseless speculation that Sidious could have thrown that particular pod back.

And Yoda did stop it instantly. It took a damn long time for him to reverse it and chuck it back, but he did stop it as soon as he raised his hand and used the force.

I've heard that enough out of you.

Well it's true. If you think any decent warrior is going to tuck away his weapon, you are clearly off your rocker.

So Sidious was just better and thus disarmed him?

Sidious surprised him and knocked the saber out of his hand. Good for him for having the high ground and far better position.

You disregadred my whole 3rd point. Congragulations.

Which third point? This one?

Yes, he does. Notice that when Sidious "lost" his lightsaber his opponent (Yoda) immediately became overconfident and therefor struggled with the pods and himself got disarmed. Sidious probably realised that he couldn't win in a lightsaber duel. So why wouldn't he start a Force battle?

Uhm, good for him. I would try to get away and start a force duel if I got disarmed too. No one is arguing he didn't use his surroundings for this duel, it's just he would not have won on a level playing field.

And while we're on the topic of missed points. I love how you miss all of the logical arguments and substitute your worthless bias. Great job, you're National Enquirer material

Sidious was chucking multiple pods at once. And he also had to throw them at a downward angle. And at first he picked up 2-3 pods, from behind him, up above his head, at the same time.

Okay, so he can utilize Newtonian Mechanics. What next? He's better because he's taller? Point? Non sequitur.

Sorry, Darthsith, if you want to go, learn some basic logical debating. QED.

Hey, darthsith:

lol, well done guys, I was going to say basically what Illustrious said but he beat me too it, anyway QED

But who is to say that Yoda could do that?

I think he was also the only one in the Movies to lose three times.

Yoda was on the lower ground. Did YOU NOT see what happened during that Movie when the lesser skilled Duelist got the high ground?

Did you ever think Sidious didn't stop it because he couldn't?

I didn't see Sidious spinning any Pods either.

Yoda flew off the Podium because he was tiny. Sidious was a grown man. What do you think would have happened if both fell to the floor?

Yoda lost to his own power and Gravity.

I'm glad he picked up so many. It made up for him not being able to dodge Yoda chucking one back at him.

I suddenly remember why I don't debate with you, darthsith. You don't make any sense.

Ever going to counter my points, Darksith? Or are you going to stew in your self-perceived "victory" for a bit before you bite off more than you can chew?

Script > Novelization.

When was it shown that he threw them?

Yoda had to stop them, reverse them, and chuck them back. Learn physics.

Yoda tosses and knocks out both of Sidious' guards with a wave of his hand.

Why he stopped laughing, his expression changed, and he had to suddenly leap out of the way?

You have nothing but baseless speculation that Sidious could have thrown that particular pod back.

And Yoda did stop it instantly. It took a damn long time for him to reverse it and chuck it back, but he did stop it as soon as he raised his hand and used the force.

If you think any decent warrior is going to tuck away his weapon, you are clearly off your rocker.

Sidious surprised him and knocked the saber out of his hand.

Which third point? This one?

Why do I even bother, hardly any of you ever listen to me.

Okay, I agree. But if the movie leaves out something from the script that can we assume that what happened in the script is what happened in GL's mind?

Yes. Because GL looked over the final script personally.

And I'm glad you ignored my points.

Well, when he moved his hands with them, thus increasing their speed...

STOP SELECTIVELY QUOTING.

I love how you don't bother to concede. How about every point you don't address, I count as your loss, let's see how that works.

He moved his arm, broke the metal stands, gave them a little push and gravity did the rest. He did not do what Yoda did.

I know physics. And it takes less Force to life one pod upward at an angle than it does to lift three pods straight up.

If you do know physics, you'd realize it's all about decellerazation. Yoda had to decellerate the object coming towards him and throw it back at an UPWARDS trajectory. That's far more impressive than breaking some metal arms and giving the pods a toss from a higher position.

The point?

Are you stupid or are you just pretending? Maybe if you READ the point, you'd notice how pwned you are.

You said: Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't he the only one from the movies to move more than one object at once?

Guess what, you're wrong. I corrected you. You dodged the point. QED.

So Sidious got nervous. Who wouldn't? If you just took over the galaxy and then went up against your strongest rival wouldn't you be scared?

So you mean it took a flying pod at him to get nervous? He wasn't nervous when Yoda walked into his chamber and took out his guards? He wasn't nervous when this green glowstick was flashing in his face? The whole "Sidious became nervous" was a machinization of a mind that's getting its ass kicked in this debate.

Stop being daft. Quote the entire post, address every point, or don't bother.

No. He lifted three pods straight up and it's far easier to throw one pod downward than three pods straight up.

Is that why he couldn't even reverse ONE pod that is thrown at an UPWARD trajectory?

Reversing one pod thrown downwards > Barely able to dodge a pod thrown upwards.

He stopped the one pod instantly, but it took him a while to stop the pod attack, meaning Sidious was attacking with pods for a while before Yoda stopped one.

Way to change the topic. Did you decide you couldn't salvage that point?

You said Janus was "overkill"ing because he said Yoda stopped the pod instantly. I pointed out the truth in the statement. And you do what? Retreat to "Sidious was throwing more pods!!"

Non sequitur. You're done.

I can tell you know alot about the art of lightsaber dueling.

LMFAO. Another non sequitur. Way to prove you have no debating skills.

Do you need to know about lightsaber dueling to know that you don't just PUT YOUR WEAPON AWAY in the middle of combat? How about a little COMMON SENSE?!

Plus, I have experience in fencing and collect swords. Don't talk to me about not knowing my stuff. You're the one that has no clue. What does me knowing "the art of the lightsaber" has anything to do with it being stupid to tuck your weapon away during a fight? And what does that have anything to do with the fact the script proves you wrong?

Why did he surprise him? Cause Yoda was overconfident?

Hmm... could it be that he needed to use both hands to block the lightning?

Good job, you've proven yourself a better debater than Janus.

And you've proven yourself to be much worse.

Hell, you can't even counter my points, so you selectively pick and choose which lines best suit you, so you attack them and STILL get punked.

Why do I even bother, hardly any of you ever listen to me.

Funny, I'm the one that can say that since you don't even bother to ADDRESS HALF MY POINTS.

If you seemed to notice, no one is listening to you because you've done the following:

a.) Denied the official script that says Sidious was disarmed by Yoda.
b.) Argued against physics by saying Sidious had the more impressive feat.
c.) Argued that Sidious didn't get beaten in the lightsaber duel even though he was DISARMED.
d.) Argued that Sidious wasn't surprised about the pod being thrown back even though his expression suddenly changed and he barely was able to jump out of the way.
e.) Used numerous non sequitur's and slippery slopes to try to dodge my points.

Give it up.

This is pointless, your never gonna change your mind. Why even bother trying?

bye

Originally posted by DrDoom101
Thanks.....but there once was a thread on where Palpatine's lightsaber went. Are you sure Yoda knock it out? Cuz some people say he put it away.

What kind of moron puts his saber away while fighting Yoda...