The Dark Knight Returns

What do you guys think of DKR? I just read it and hated the way Batman maims and cripples millions. He kills like a gazillion mutants and murders Joker crazily! He also acts like a paedo, walking around nude in front of Carrie all the time... I mean, he's like 50 and she's 13! At least it's only a kind of unofficial ELSEWORLDS...

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What do you think?

A shame you disliked it... I thought it was really awesome. I agree with your point on him killing though. Except he didn't want to kill Joker when he broke his neck, just paralyse him so he could never kill again.

If you didn't like Miller's portrayal of Bats in DKR, never read DK2. In fact, don't come within range of it. Miller kind of turns Batman into a caped Marv in that. It really sucked.

Did you not even like the way they handled Bats and Supes's rivalry?

The rivalry ws nothing like in continuity... it was like Batman's some kind of serial killing, torturing outlaw and Supes is a government hitman!

I don't remember Batman killing any mutants; I know he doesn't kill Joker-- Joker kills himself.

He shot a good deal of Mutants with the Batmobile's machine gun.

Looking at my copy of TDKR, however, I see that he used rubber bullets? I admit that the "honest" part doesn't reek of sincerity, but we're not given a reason to doubt him.

It just seems dumb to assume that he actually did use rubber ones... so I just thought he was lying with the "honest" bit.

He didn't show any hesitation in trying to kill Supes, though, did he? I think he was trying to. Even with all the "I want you to remember my hand at your throat, Clark... the one who beat you."

And he was using Kryptonite.

I would agree with you, except ... every thing Batman does that is even slightly illegal is mentioned in the news. Endangering a minor? We're told he's being charged with that. The murder of the Joker? We're told he's being charged with that. But he guns down dozens of people with a machine gun, and nobody comments on it? That doesn't seem very likely.

I don't think he was trying to kill Superman, just last against him until the drug took effect. If he'd won that fight, it would have ruined every thing, since the whole point of the battle was to stage his own death and go into hiding. But Superman's hardly an oppenent you can hold back against.

I felt Bruce, Clark and Green Arrow were all @$$holes in DKR, as was Gordon. The only good guy was Carrie...

Except Carrie was a girl, not a guy.

About Gregory's comment; he was charged with child endangerment as well. But you must remember, he always chooses to save the inncoents rather than catch the bad guy. ALWAYS. That is, from what I've seen.

Except in DKR... he'd rather chase Joker than fuss about dying people...

Nope. He said he was too late for the two that Joker shot on the bridge. Therefore, he would have saved them. And he saved that girl from Joker with the batarangs when the gas bomb exploded in the fun fair. And the little boy in teh hall of mirrors.

I kind of thought of that fight as a "Last vengeance"- the time when Batman realises the only way to stop all the killing is to finally break his vow and kill Joker. But still, he chooses not to with willpower, and breaks his neck.

Which kills him. Batman is too harsh and brutal in Miller comics. I dont llike them, except for yr1, thats just in the boundary and a good story...

No no no! Batman broke his neck only to PARALYZE Joker. Joker twisted his own neck even further, and killed himself.

Read it over again.

Nah, I thought it was too crap to re- read. Sorry, but I dont like it...

Well, it's a sound answer. It;s your opinion. I can't criticize you for not liking something I like.

I LOVED IT! but not one of his best. I hate the ending.

Spoiler:
Alfred dies....that sucks

When it comes to the works by Frank Miller I'll always favorite Year One.

Yr1 rocks and Alfred would be 90- ish then! Alf's death is gay. I really didnt like it but I appreciate that its a very popular story

Gay? 😑 Is that meant as a derogatory term these days?

Anyway, yeah, I didn't like Alfred's death either... but I did prefer DKR to Yr 1, funnily enough. Of course, Yr 1 was damn good.

I love the way yr1 focuses on Gordon so much. Jimbo da man! LOL