Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
They don't have the talent to match their reputation, if we're adhering to the adage that they're Britain's greatest band ever that they so wrongly get tagged with.-AC
But that never came up...did it! Already been back what under half an hour and I can already see you haven't changed. Music is about opinion. There is no right or wrong answers when it comes to beliefs and preferences onto ideals like: who’s the greatest band. If I put McFly here you'd have to accept that.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I wouldn't have to accept it, no. They don't belong there because they're not a rock/heavy metal band. Strike one.Secondly, talent isn't subjective. They aren't as able (in terms of ability) as they are revered for their music.
-AC
Once again your sheer arrogance is clouding your beliefs. Different people will see different abilities in different ways in different artists.
And if we're going to be 'petty' and deter who should be on that list and who shouldn't well i personally think AC/DC and KoRn should be struck of because they ain't really heavy in comparison to Deicide & Morbid Angel.
Originally posted by wicker_man
Once again your sheer arrogance is clouding your beliefs. Different people will see different abilities in different ways in different artists.And if we're going to be 'petty' and deter who should be on that list and who shouldn't well i personally think AC/DC and KoRn should be struck of because they ain't really heavy in comparison to Deicide & Morbid Angel.
No, ability is factually provable. This has been debated to death against many others before you and the outcome has been the same.
Nicko isn't as great as people rate him, Bruce isn't the greatest technical singer ever etc. So therefore, technically, they don't have the talent to match their reputation or if they did they'd be the greatest at their respective jobs, technically.
They are not.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, ability is factually provable. This has been debated to death against many others before you and the outcome has been the same.Nicko isn't as great as people rate him, Bruce isn't the greatest technical singer ever etc. So therefore, technically, they don't have the talent to match their reputation or if they did they'd be the greatest at their respective jobs, technically.
They are not.
-AC
Well whatever crap you like to spout to make yourself feel big, I'd love you to disapprove that theory to Maidens hardcore fan-base - i hope your not attached to those limbs of yours. Download 2006 - see you there!
Originally posted by wicker_man
Well whatever crap you like to spout to make yourself feel big, I'd love you to disapprove that theory to Maidens hardcore fan-base - i hope your not attached to those limbs of yours. Download 2006 - see you there!
Thanks for proving my point. Maiden's hardcore fanbase would claim that Dickinson is a better vocalist, technically, than Jeff Buckley.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Thanks for proving my point. Maiden's hardcore fanbase would claim that Dickinson is a better vocalist, technically, than Jeff Buckley.-AC
Yes one point I did prove, your a gutless little cretin who wouldn't have the guts to explain his so-called theories when faced with Iron Maiden fans to whom many have followed since album one and before. Oh and i don't buy into children's games like who's better...grow up!
Originally posted by wicker_man
Yes one point I did prove, your a gutless little cretin who wouldn't have the guts to explain his so-called theories when faced with Iron Maiden fans to whom many have followed since album one and before. Oh and i don't buy into children's games like who's better...grow up!
You don't buy into being childish business but imply, with some sense of positivity, that I'm "gutless" for not wanting to discuss music with people who might reply violently, due to me proving that their idols aren't the most technically gifted musicians ever? You're right, I wouldn't. I don't mingle with idiots and no-brained morons. Go down the pub and have a fight with a big dude named Fred, that's closer to your mentality than mine.
Secondly, is Bruce technically a better vocalist than Jeff Buckley? Is Nicko McBrain technically a better drummer than Terry Bozzio?
No and no, hardcore Maiden fans can deny that all they want, but they would be factually incorrect. If they prefer Maiden's music, fine. To claim technical ability is better just because you prefer it is stupid. If they prefer Adrian to Hendrix does that mean Adrian is a better technical player? No.
Shut up then.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You don't buy into being childish but imply, with some sense of positivity, that I'm "gutless" for not wanting to discuss music with people who might reply violently? You're right. I wouldn't, I don't mingle with idiots who aren't worthy of the life they've been given.Is Bruce a technically better vocalist than Jeff Buckley? Is Nicko McBrain a technically better drummer than Terry Bozzio?
No and no, hardcore Maiden fans can deny that all they want, but they would be factually incorrect. If they prefer Maiden's music, fine. To claim technical ability is better just because you prefer it is stupid. If they prefer Adrian to Hendrix does that mean Adrian is a better technical player? No.
Shut up then.
-AC
I will not shut up. Maiden fans love them for their music and everything they stand for...you on the other hand like to compare everyone with everyone else...for that you are no more then an arrogant little child...probably living delusional fantasies behind their cyber screen.
Now you shut up, music fans 'real' music fans come across people like you all the time and each time dismiss them as 'party poopers' with no real validation but to p*** on peoples enjoyment.
BTW my suggestion wasn't a violent one, it was merely a test to see if you believed in that opinion you cradle so hard, you'd put it to a cause that would back it up...but obviously not.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Not opinion though is it? Technique is factually provable.Music made is subjective, musical technical ability is not.
-AC
Technical ability is more provable but a great flamingo guitarist, may not be a good classical player etc. So a great power rocker whose technique is excellent for that might not be good at a sensitive lead piece where tonal quality is needed and again vice versa. It is subjective to a point.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Technical ability is more provable but a great flamingo guitarist, may not be a good classical player etc. So a great power rocker whose technique is excellent for that might not be good at a sensitive lead piece where tonal quality is needed and again vice versa. It is subjective to a point.
Hahahaha.
'Flamingo'. I have to remember that one.
Originally posted by wicker_man
I will not shut up. Maiden fans love them for their music and everything they stand for...you on the other hand like to compare everyone with everyone else...for that you are no more then an arrogant little child...probably living delusional fantasies behind their cyber screen.
Yes, and what did I say? If you love them for their music, that's fine. Cool. YOU said they have the TALENT to back up their reputation, which they do not as I suggested.
Originally posted by wicker_man
Now you shut up, music fans 'real' music fans come across people like you all the time and each time dismiss them as 'party poopers' with no real validation but to p*** on peoples enjoyment.
I have the ability to stop your enjoyment? Wow, thanks. Although, if we (you) stop being a drama queen then you would quite clearly see that I said it's fine. If you think they produce the greatest music ever, I disagree, but that's fine. Nothing I can do about that. Music is subjective, ability isn't. Comprende? Good.
Originally posted by wicker_man
BTW my suggestion wasn't a violent one, it was merely a test to see if you believed in that opinion you cradle so hard, you'd put it to a cause that would back it up...but obviously not.
I do, I'm doing so now. Would I do so against a Maiden fan would would harm me just because he doesn't like what he's hearing? No and I await your explaination on why this is a bad thing.
If I tell a Maiden fan that Bruce isn't as good vocalist as Jeff, technically, and he denies it then starts beating me up. What's the point in that? I'm right, he's wrong, but he'd be getting upset because I disagree. You're the one who called ME a party pooper for downplaying people's enjoyment, only to back people who would more than likely fight someone for having a different opinion that overrides their own.
I was going to say your logic is flawed, but to have flawed logic is to have logic anyway.
-AC
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Technical ability is more provable but a great flamingo guitarist, may not be a good classical player etc. So a great power rocker whose technique is excellent for that might not be good at a sensitive lead piece where tonal quality is needed and again vice versa. It is subjective to a point.
To add to VVD's post: Hahahahahaha.
Secondly, there you go. Technique is being proven right before your eyes, why deny it? It's possible to be technically better in certain areas than other technical wizards, it doesn't mean actual technique is deniable.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, and what did I say? If you love them for their music, that's fine. Cool. YOU said they have the TALENT to back up their reputation, which they do not as I suggested.I have the ability to stop your enjoyment? Wow, thanks. Although, if we (you) stop being a drama queen then you would quite clearly see that I said it's fine. If you think they produce the greatest music ever, I disagree, but that's fine. Nothing I can do about that. Music is subjective, ability isn't. Comprende? Good.
I do, I'm doing so now. Would I do so against a Maiden fan would would harm me just because he doesn't like what he's hearing? No and I await your explaination on why this is a bad thing.
If I tell a Maiden fan that Bruce isn't as good vocalist as Jeff, technically, and he denies it then starts beating me up. What's the point in that? I'm right, he's wrong, but he'd be getting upset because I disagree. You're the one who called ME a party pooper for downplaying people's enjoyment, only to back people who would more than likely fight someone for having a different opinion that overrides their own.
I was going to say your logic is flawed, but to have flawed logic is to have logic anyway.
-AC
You need to get laid...really badly, then maybe you'd take a look on life that doesn't reek of an arrogant know-it-all despised by all.